The Coaching Advantage

[Old White Guy]

Having a coach who can motivate you is important.
The Bengals had two great coaches who could motivate,
Forrest Greg and Sam Wyche.

[rockyforkbengal]

The reason the Ravens are succesful is that the dont accept mediocrity for very long like this team does. When their offense struggled in the middle of the year, they had the balls to fire Cam Cameron and they still won the Superbowl.

When the Bengals offense started to struggle and be predictable a few years ago, Mike Brown held on to his best friend (Bratkowski) until Carson Palmer threw his little fit.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by McC

I think the Ravens coaches take care of game planning and the Ravens players take care of emotion and intensity.

If a coach has to get you emotionally ready to play, you're in the wrong business.

Our players are flat more than most NFL teams I'd say.

Before the Houston playoff game, our sideline looked like they took tranquilizers.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

How much of a difference does coaching make?
I remember in the preseason, there were threads claiming the Ravens would fall off. Suggs is injured. They lost Grubbs in free agency. Webb is injured. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are getting older. They're going to fall off the map!
Well, they destroyed us in Week 1 and went on to win the Super Bowl.
I don't think the Ravens are the most talented team in football. They do have talent, no doubt. I'd say their roster is about equal to ours overall.
What I did see was EVERY single playoff game they showed up with emotion ready to play! Contrast that to our game against Houston where they showed Green and Gresham on the sidelines and they looked like they were tranqualized.
They have won a playoff game something like 5 years in a row.
They overcome injuries.
I put a lot of this on coaching! Their coach knows how to motivate them. It isn't even about X's and O's. Football is an emotional sport.
The Bengals come out flat too much. I question even with an extremely talented roster if our player can be motivated consistantly.

No! It's the players......

[gardner30]

I think good coaching philosophy is a big advantage.

Would the Ravens have won the Super Bowl if they hadn't fired Cam Cameron and hired Jim Caldwell?

They were in a pretty bad offensive funk until Caldwell took over.

John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome showed some serious balls by doing that mid-season because if it didn't work that is all the media would be talking about.

I think the Ravens with Caldwell running the offense is going to be a way better team next year.

[fredtoast]

Coaching has a huge effect on who wins in the NFL, but motivation is not the main advantage.

In the NFL it is more about scheme and execution than players being worked into a frenzy.

[McC]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Our players are flat more than most NFL teams I'd say.

Before the Houston playoff game, our sideline looked like they took tranquilizers.

Nerves will do that to you. So will wanting it too much.

[gardner30]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Our players are flat more than most NFL teams I'd say.

Before the Houston playoff game, our sideline looked like they took tranquilizers.

I remember watching JJ Watt going crazy firing up the Texans, then they showed Whitworth and he was like reading the team a story lol.

[JIM TROY]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

So to perform your job as a grown man on a daily basis does your boss have to come in and give you a rah-rah speech? I seem to perform my job each day on a consistently high level without someone having to come in and talk me into it. For that matter I do it for much less than what an NFL player on average makes.

It is a thing called pride.

it's because you don't play a GAME for a job. Pride is when a team actually is playing for no reason to gain other than pay. As for a rah rah speech, I talk with my constituents every day to make sure they are FOCUSED! Their pay is commensurate.

[JIM TROY]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Coaching has a huge effect on who wins in the NFL, but motivation is not the main advantage.

In the NFL it is more about scheme and execution than players being worked into a frenzy.

I tried to give you rep Fred, coaching, or the lack there of, is a main problem on this team!

[Dabo614]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

So to perform your job as a grown man on a daily basis does your boss have to come in and give you a rah-rah speech? I seem to perform my job each day on a consistently high level without someone having to come in and talk me into it. For that matter I do it for much less than what an NFL player on average makes.

It is a thing called pride.

So does that mean we basically draft bums who have no pride then?

[Dabo614]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

Let's keep it real. Ravens have 2 definite hall of famers in Lewis and Reed the past 9 years. They also have Rice, Ngata, Suggs, Bolden (so about 25 years of experience in just these guys) and Yanda, Burk and Flacco.

They just won a Super Bowl barely by 3. They barley beat Denver. Let's make sure we look at all the facts. Their front office and coaching staff is very good, but great players can make any coaching staff look great. Let's see how they do next year and beyond. If they win it all again next year without the hall of famers, then I will give them more props.

hence why everybody hailed marvin lewis as some defensive coaching miracle.

[Derrick]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

No! It's the players......

At least that is what the Bengal's staff says.

[Ryan Mc]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

How much of a difference does coaching make?

I remember in the preseason, there were threads claiming the Ravens would fall off. Suggs is injured. They lost Grubbs in free agency. Webb is injured. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are getting older. They're going to fall off the map!

Well, they destroyed us in Week 1 and went on to win the Super Bowl.....

Absolutely. I must confess to being one of those people who thought the Ravens had to come back to the pack this year with all the injuries to key players and the fact that some recent draft picks hadn't really panned out. When you look at the quality of the players who missed time with injury, few coaching staffs in the league had a better excuse for losing this year, but they didn't. Some of the replies in this thread, essentially saying it's the players not coaching, are presumable from people ignorant of the fact that Lewis missed 10 games (and was well past his prime when he played), Suggs missed 8 games and wasn't himself even when back, Ngata was below usual form as he carried nagging injuries all season, Webb was lost for the season after week 6.

The Ravens coaches did indeed do a great job keeping things together. Heck, they even made THREE position switches on the O-line when the playoffs started, moving LT to RT, RT to G and starting a new LT ... in order to turn their offense around and generate the great blocking they got for Flacco in the playoffs. That sounds like some good coaching to me, not just luck or having good players.