Dalton's inaccuracy.

[Mexal]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

If you're insinuating that the majority of our sacks are on Dalton, I would have to disagree.

If I were to estimate, I would say 1/5th of the sacks are on Dalton, max.

On some of these plays where people claim Dalton is holding on too long, he is either waiting for the routes to develop, or no one is open.

Last year people complained that he was throwing it away too quickly. Now that he's waiting (and taking sacks because the pass pro is weak) people are griping that he takes too long.

It's not all on Dalton, I promise.

That's only because Dalton lacks a feel for pressure. If the OL gives up pressure, it tends to get to Dalton. That's on Dalton as well as the OL.

It's the one area that I pray that he works on in the offseason because it's the difference between being a good QB and being a great one. He has the potential but he really needs to work on this aspect of his game. That and dumping it off when he feels the pressure. He doesn't check down nearly enough because he focuses on his first read for too long.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Mexal

That's only because Dalton lacks a feel for pressure. If the OL gives up pressure, it tends to get to Dalton. That's on Dalton as well as the OL.

It's the one area that I pray that he works on in the offseason because it's the difference between being a good QB and being a great one. He has the potential but he really needs to work on this aspect of his game. That and dumping it off when he feels the pressure. He doesn't check down nearly enough because he focuses on his first read for too long.

I agree 95% of what's stated above. Also, he has to stop eyeballing his predetermine WR and for goodness sake work on his accuracy. Sheesh!!

[jack1953]

Hey fellow fans! I am an ole timer and have been watching football for 50+ years! Born and raised in Dayton, Ohio and was a Browns fan before Cincy ever had a team!

Outside of Kenny Anderson, this kid Dalton is potentially the best they've ever had! Yes, he is not the seasoned QB that Brady and Manning are, but it's only his second year!!!

He isn't anymore inconsistent than Eli Manning has been over the last few years for crying out loud! I've seen Manning do horribly fundamental things this year that Dalton has never done! I think the Giants have been very fortunate to win the two Super Bowls they did, basically because they got hot at the right time, especially their defense! It wasn't Eli Manning that kept Brady at bay and frustrated for those 2 Super Bowl games, it was their defense!!

Like Andrew Whitworth says, the great thing about Andy is that he wants to get better and is always looking to do that every game!

This is the most cohesive Bengals team that I've seen and I grew up with them from Greg Cook to Andy Dalton.

The big difference on this year is the defense!!! The Bengals have never had a defense like this, that is as solid from A to Z.

This Bengals team is also the youngest team in the league, age wise!

Don't forget, Marvin Lewis was defensive coordinator when the Ravens won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer at QB for crying out loud!
Baltimore won on defense that year and if you look at their defensive stats for that year, no team, including the 70s Steelers have had stats that they had that year!!

Did you all know that in those 6 years that the Steelers dominated in the 70s, winning 4 Super Bowls, they never had one QB, and one only, throughout any one season!!! Not because they were injured but because Chuck Knoll kept switching them around trying to find a chemistry. He used Bradshaw, Hanratty, and Gilliam, throughout those 6 seasons. Just so happened that Bradshaw was the one who stepped up at playoff time and was the one who got the nod!

Enjoy the ride Bengals fans because if they can keep this group together, I think we will seem some Lombardi trophies in the near future!!

[bengal matt]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

I agree 95% of what's stated above. Also, he has to stop eyeballing his predetermine WR and for goodness sake work on his accuracy. Sheesh!!

My biggest issue with dalton is anytime a rusher comes through and is in his face he lowers his head and trys to escape. The great ones keep their eyes down field and can make throws with pressure dalton takes off running and misses guys that are wide open down field. I know its hard to hang in there and take a big shot but you have too.

[jsr18]

Originally Posted by Juniversal

The entire offense (including Dalton) need to perform better if they want to get anywhere in the post season. Dalton showed decent accuracy in getting the ball downfield last game. The 4th and 22 pass was pretty much spot on but AJ simply didn't get his foot in bounds.

If you want the offense to perform better (and really, who doesn't), you'd better get a petition or something going to get Trevor Robinson back at Center. Cook, for whatever reason, is just holding this offense back...

[Mexal]

Originally Posted by jsr18

If you want the offense to perform better (and really, who doesn't), you'd better get a petition or something going to get Trevor Robinson back at Center. Cook, for whatever reason, is just holding this offense back...

Cook has nothing to do with Dalton's downfield accuracy.

[BengalzHacker]

Originally Posted by Mexal

Cook has nothing to do with Dalton's downfield accuracy.

Yes and no. It does if Dalton doesn't have time for routes to properly develop or room to step into a throw.

[Mexal]

Originally Posted by BengalzHacker

Yes and no. It does if Dalton doesn't have time for routes to properly develop or room to step into a throw.

Yes, that would be true if that was the case but he does have time to step into his throw, he just doesn't do it consistently enough. When he does, he's really accurate.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

If you're insinuating that the majority of our sacks are on Dalton, I would have to disagree.

If I were to estimate, I would say 1/5th of the sacks are on Dalton, max.

On some of these plays where people claim Dalton is holding on too long, he is either waiting for the routes to develop, or no one is open.

Last year people complained that he was throwing it away too quickly. Now that he's waiting (and taking sacks because the pass pro is weak) people are griping that he takes too long.

It's not all on Dalton, I promise.

A lot more than 1/5 of the sacks are on Dalton.
And those plays where no one is open or routes aren't there, he has to sense pressure and chuck it into the stands.
No one said it all was. But a lot more than 1/5 is. He lacks pocket awareness right now.
He doesn't feel the pressure.
What makes Brady and Manning so great is how they manipulate the pocket. They do a much better job moving inside the pocket without tucking and running.

This is where Dalton needs his most improvement. Feel the pressure coming and manipulate the pocket.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by bengal matt

My biggest issue with dalton is anytime a rusher comes through and is in his face he lowers his head and trys to escape. The great ones keep their eyes down field and can make throws with pressure dalton takes off running and misses guys that are wide open down field. I know its hard to hang in there and take a big shot but you have too.

I've noticed that too and whenever a QB lowers his head the chances of a completion go waaaaay down because he becomes out of sync with the WRs.

[Hammerthis]

[quote=fortyyearfan;2744747]i am just a avid fan like all of you,but i totally agree that our qb is leaving alot of points on the field because of overthrows, which he has done most of the season, it seems like he is not getting any better at this.one would question is it something he cannot figure out, can't do any better at, or he not getting proper coaching?? but he MUST get better at this in the playoffs or we are toast. you cannot leave top plays out there and expect to win.i do not see him getting that much better in a short time.something about him allows me to question his learning skills. whit mentioned that andy always wants to be right and doesn't want to listen to anyone.likes to be right all the time.i get it that you do not want to underthrow passes as he was questioned so much during training camp by the media about not having a strong arm to throw deep, which is stupid.he has shown everyone he can drill it deep. now he has to practice on his accuracy.someone said they are working on that as we speak, that he is trying this week in practice to get better.we shall see as they say.by the way that is a very hard throw for any qb, to hit a receiver in full speed. if he gets it down a little better, it could mean the

AMEN!

[ScottishBengal]

Regarding the Pittsburgh Game... I was confused by the turn-over against the Stoolers, where they batted the ball back into play to turn it over... Surely the Stoolers player who batted it back into play must still be in active play himself? I would have thought that this player would have had to get both feet in play after batting the ball (they clearly didn't). Any explanation would be most appreciated?

I take it from the lack of answers, that the Football Guru's on here believe this to be an irrelevant question? (Please note the question marks!)

[csrbowhunter]

Originally Posted by ScottishBengal

Regarding the Pittsburgh Game... I was confused by the turn-over against the Stoolers, where they batted the ball back into play to turn it over... Surely the Stoolers player who batted it back into play must still be in active play himself? I would have thought that this player would have had to get both feet in play after batting the ball (they clearly didn't). Any explanation would be most appreciated?

I take it from the lack of answers, that the Football Guru's on here believe this to be an irrelevant question? (Please note the question marks!)

the steelers player out of bounds was in the air not touching the ground and the player that grabbed it had one knee inbounds first. One knee counts as two feet!

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by james1081c

Dalton overthrows guys way too much. I really wish the guy could find the confidence or a ility to drop the ball right in there to the receiver. He's getting a lot of great opportunities on this great Bengals team. He needs to just be able to take full advantage of it and put it all together in the playoffs. I hope this is where he goes out and earns his keep. If everyone can collectively keep getting better and better throughout the playoffs this team has a great chance to win. They can't lose sight and focus of what got them there in the first place.

Accuracy issues, whaaaaaaat?





You know what I haven't seen during games much is where they show
Which passes the QB has thrown and how far, or where the running back has ran and how many yards.

[ScottishBengal]

Originally Posted by csrbowhunter

the steelers player out of bounds was in the air not touching the ground and the player that grabbed it had one knee inbounds first. One knee counts as two feet!

Thanks for the reply. I understand the player who caught the ball was in with his knee... I have no problem with that. However batting the ball should be exactly the same as catching the ball. If a receiver is in the air when he makes a catch, it is not a catch if any of his feet land out of bounds AFTER he made the catch... The same rule should apply for a bat on the ball... The issue here is; is the PLAYER in bounds? ...I think that the player should be on the field of play (ie. He gets both his feet in bounds AFTER making the play)... Otherwise the rule for batting the ball and catching the ball are inconsistent with each other... simply, batting the ball back into play should require the player to remain in play throughout (ie. Get both his feet in play)... I don't see any difficulty with this.

As the rule currently stands, I don't consider it to be in keeping with the general principles of the game.

[Norm]

Dalton has accuracy problems on deep passes, even when the pocket holds.

I love him as our QB, and there's only about 5 or 6 QB's in the league that i'd trade him for. But call me a troll if you wish.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by Norm

Dalton has accuracy problems on deep passes, even when the pocket holds.

I love him as our QB, and there's only about 5 or 6 QB's in the league that i'd trade him for. But call me a troll if you wish.

I'm with you on both points. Drew Brees was average before he went to NO and was put in the right system and gained experience This offense lives and dies by the run, they have got to figure out how to play to his strengths.

[Joelist]

Yeah, some of our offensive playcalling leaves a lot to be desired. And the pass blocking the past few weeks has been terrible - Andy can't step up because the nose of the pocket is constantly getting pushed back into him. Add in the lack on the offense of a TJ type WR (a big bodied possession guy with good hands) and the issues are apparent.

BTW, NFL replay did the Steeler game. They raved about Dalton's play and he looked good too. Most of the incompletions were either throwaways or the kind of incompletions every QB throws. It also showed off the one problem with Baby Hawk - lack of height. Even a slightly taller receiver catches the ball some here were ripping on Andy about, and it had to be that high (which wasn't really THAT high) in order to put it into the WR spot without running the risk of INTs.

[jack1953]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

A lot more than 1/5 of the sacks are on Dalton.
And those plays where no one is open or routes aren't there, he has to sense pressure and chuck it into the stands.
No one said it all was. But a lot more than 1/5 is. He lacks pocket awareness right now.
He doesn't feel the pressure.
What makes Brady and Manning so great is how they manipulate the pocket. They do a much better job moving inside the pocket without tucking and running.

This is where Dalton needs his most improvement. Feel the pressure coming and manipulate the pocket.

Brady and Manning????

Maybe when Andy's been in the league 10+ years he will also be able to work the pocket.

[Juniversal]

Originally Posted by D's Nuts and Bolts

I'm with you on both points. Drew Brees was average before he went to NO and was put in the right system and gained experience This offense lives and dies by the run, they have got to figure out how to play to his strengths.

Well if you look at his stats from his first few full seasons they're very Dalton esque (well comparable to Daltons current numbers from the past two seasons). Of course the league has changed since then but Dalton still has plenty of time to improve.