Carlos Dunlap misses practice due to illness

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffHobs...55062803976192

Burfict sick now as well.

Guess the flu is going around the Bengals. If we lose this game because players got sick, that would HAVE to be the biggest shame. If that happens, I hope to see Mike Brown on Monday on his hands and knees stacking up bricks to start building a practice bubble.

Oh, but I thought they catch it from the cold, not from other teammates?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

He shouldn't be on Tamiflu unless he has a risk factor which places him at high risk for a complication of the flu. Would you like a link to those risk factors?

Highly doubtful an adult NFL player with a normal, healthy immune system has any of those risk factors.


Show me the data that supports this.

Influenza is caused by a virus, not decreased environmental temperatures. The cold and flu season coincides when people spend more time indoors breathing in each other's germs. Not because cold weather decreases your immune system.


Influenza typically lasts 5-7 days in most people. Sometimes less, sometimes up to 2 weeks. Personally, I've seen people with 102 degree fevers on the 10th day. You are considered contagious until fever free for 24 hours.


Influenza is not an autoimmune disease so your point is mute.


Being outside in cold weather makes you feel cold and can lead to cold injuries such as frost bite. It doesn't make you sick with a cold or influenza.

How do you catch a cold or influenza? You breath in the viruses into your respiratory tract. Is the respiratory tract part of the periphery? No, it isn't.

What else causes vasoconstriction of the periphery? Nicotine. Will smokeless tobacco increase your risk of contracting a cold or influenza because of vasoconstrition of the periphery? No.


That's because URIs are very common during basic training. It is due to the close living quarters. Same thing happens in other settings with confined spaces; military recruits, prisons, cruise ships, college dorms, etc.

There is a plethora of information regarding this topic. Here is just one example...

http://download.thelancet.com/flatco...miology-55.pdf


You are correct.

The #1 way of contracting influenza is being exposed to someone with influenza.

It's crazy. I know.


I agree.

Plus it is miserable to work in inclement weather. I doubt the lack of a practice bubble would be the primary reason why a player wouldn't want to play for the Bengals, but it could be a tie breaker.


I received those exact same items from the Army for free.

Why are you so loyal to a billionaire who isn't loyal to the city of Cincinnati? The reason why Hamilton County paid for 90% of Paul Brown Stadium is because he threatened to move the team.




Montgomery? Is that you?

I am a union backer. As unions have declined so have the wages of the middle class. The size of the middle class has decrease as well. While the executive benefits packages have sky rocketed. Who gets paid millions of dollars to be fired? Executives. Who receives bonus from bailout money intended to save a company? Executives. My father was a union ironworker and companies weren't falling all over themselves to pay ironworkers more money without unions.

Who is paying you to comment on here all day while you are at work? How many union ironworkers are on here commenting as frequently as you do during the work day?

Another of your assumptions. I can state with conviction that I HAVE NEVER been on a message board while I was on company time. Would be interesting to know how you reach your conclusion when you do not know me and have no idea what I do for a living or my hours of work. A conclusion with no fact.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

Oh, but I thought they catch it from the cold, not from other teammates?

LMAO.........touche!

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by FRAv

Well you know what they say, "you can hope in one hand and ***** in the other and see which gets filled first." The way MB operates we probably have a better chance of having a Lombardi before a practice bubble.

What don't some people get around here? They have an indoor facility that they use. They actually have access to a couple of them. So where is the gripe? Is it because it does not say Cincinnati Bengals on the side of it?

For everyone who wants a "Bengals" Bubble it is only something you use to talk about how cheap Mike Brown is. Do you have the real estate available for the bubble to be built on? If they have access to two facilities then why the need to build one just for them?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

What don't some people get around here? They have an indoor facility that they use. They actually have access to a couple of them. So where is the gripe? Is it because it does not say Cincinnati Bengals on the side of it?

For everyone who wants a "Bengals" Bubble it is only something you use to talk about how cheap Mike Brown is. Do you have the real estate available for the bubble to be built on? If they have access to two facilities then why the need to build one just for them?

Are you considering the Indoor Soccer Field in Mason as 1?

Why have one built for them?

The are a professional organization (maybe).

You still didn't answer Bake's question as to Why Pittsburgh prepares for bad weather games indoors.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Are you considering the Indoor Soccer Field in Mason as 1?

Why have one built for them?

The are a professional organization (maybe).

You still didn't answer Bake's question as to Why Pittsburgh prepares for bad weather games indoors.

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

are the fans such girly girls that they cant imagine grow men paid 100's of thousands of dollars to play football actualy practice outside?

It has nothing to do with the players being girly girls. No one cares about that, but it has been clearly stated that a team can more effectively train while indoors if conditions are bad enough outside. Why would a team suffer such a disadvantage if they have the resources to stop it?

That is what the fans are upset about. The Bengals are not taking advantage of the same resources that other teams have because their owner refuses to spend a little extra money.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by MrRager

It has nothing to do with the players being girly girls. No one cares about that, but it has been clearly stated that a team can more effectively train while indoors if conditions are bad enough outside. Why would a team suffer such a disadvantage if they have the resources to stop it?

That is what the fans are upset about. The Bengals are not taking advantage of the same resources that other teams have because their owner refuses to spend a little extra money.

Wrong....... and there is the actual core to the whining. People only want to see Mike spend money on a facility that has the Bengals name on it and they continue to ignore the fact that the team has two indoor facilities that they use during inclimate weather.

So if in fact they are training indoors in bad weather what does it matter what the building says on it?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Are you considering the Indoor Soccer Field in Mason as 1?

Why have one built for them?

The are a professional organization (maybe).

You still didn't answer Bake's question as to Why Pittsburgh prepares for bad weather games indoors.

See directly under your post and the question was answered.

Big Ben rapes women should we have Andy take up the practice since that is what the Steelers do?

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

What don't some people get around here? They have an indoor facility that they use. They actually have access to a couple of them. So where is the gripe? Is it because it does not say Cincinnati Bengals on the side of it?

For everyone who wants a "Bengals" Bubble it is only something you use to talk about how cheap Mike Brown is. Do you have the real estate available for the bubble to be built on? If they have access to two facilities then why the need to build one just for them?

1. The Bengals are a professional NFL franchise. They shouldn't have to take a 2 hr round trip bus ride to Mason (which eats into practice time) or ask a college team for permission to use their facility.

2. Cincinnati/NKY is a very large place. I'm sure there's plenty of place to put a bubble. Heck, they could build a bubble over their current fields. It's plenty big enough.

3. Why not? Seriously. Can you give me a legit good reason why Mike Brown shouldn't build one?

Originally Posted by bfine32

You still didn't answer BLake's question as to Why Pittsburgh prepares for bad weather games indoors.

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

We all hate the Steelers, but they've been to 3 superbowls lately. They set a good example on how things should be done. Don't we follow their example anyway? I guess "model model" only applies to "not going after good free agents".

Originally Posted by MrRager

It has nothing to do with the players being girly girls. No one cares about that, but it has been clearly stated that a team can more effectively train while indoors if conditions are bad enough outside. Why would a team suffer such a disadvantage if they have the resources to stop it?

That is what the fans are upset about. The Bengals are not taking advantage of the same resources that other teams have because their owner refuses to spend a little extra money.

Pretty much this.

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Big Ben rapes women should we have Andy take up the practice since that is what the Steelers do?

Really? That's the best you got?

[TheCincinnatiKid]

Lol, typical that half the team goes down with flu just as we're about to play a do-or-die game...

About the practice bubble, it's not even been cold where I am (not cold in England... seriously), and I have the flu. A practice bubble wouldn't rid the team of ever catching flu, it just takes someone to get the bug and it can go round. It's just bad luck if ya get it.

I want us to have a practice bubble to prepare better for games, it wouldnt stop the flu. All the team can do is get everyone vaccinated as best as possible against it and to fight off the symptoms as quick as possible, and hopefully we're ok to go on Sunday. So so typical though, we couldn't all get the flu in the week before Jacksonville, we have to get it as soon as we're going into Pittsburgh...

make it all the more sweet when we beat em

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

Silly really

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

That's why they constantly win

[tlotharw]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

If they are pussys, what does constantly losing to them make us? Tampons?

[Abspara]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

because the steelers are pussys... Practice in what you play in.

Ehh, if practicing indoors is what helps win championships, this team needs a heavy dose of it.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

See directly under your post and the question was answered.

Is that really what your gonna roll with?

The Steelers prepare for games indoors because that are "kitties"

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Another of your assumptions.

Actually, a deduction.

I can state with conviction that I HAVE NEVER been on a message board while I was on company time.

Ahhhh, so you're retired.

Would be interesting to know how you reach your conclusion when you do not know me and have no idea what I do for a living or my hours of work. A conclusion with no fact.

A conclusion is different than an assumption. A conclusion is a reasoned deduction or inference. An assumption is taking something for granted or a supposition.



I deduced you post from work based upon the number of your posts and the hours in which you post them.

Quid pro quo, Clarice. The reason Hamilton County paid for 90% of Paul Brown Stadium was because Mike Brown threatened to move the Bengals to another city. Why are you loyal to a billionaire who isn't loyal to you?

[BoomerFan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

I'm sorry, but I missed the data which demonstrated immunoglobins are less effective due to decreased environmental temperatures in that blog by someone without any medical education.

You're dropping a lot of good knowledge in this thread so hopefully you can comment on one more (possibly incorrect) belief. Our body raises its temperature to fight infection and this can be effective if you're suffering from a bacteriological cold rather than an influenza virus. My question is, doesn't exterior temperature impact the temperature on the surface of the respiratory system where some of this stuff can be growing? Can't a slight dip in temperature make the surface tissues in the nose, tonsils, throat and even chest a more habitable place for infection?

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

You're dropping a lot of good knowledge in this thread so hopefully you can comment on one more (possibly incorrect) belief. Our body raises its temperature to fight infection and this can be effective if you're suffering from a bacteriological cold rather than an influenza virus. My question is, doesn't exterior temperature impact the temperature on the surface of the respiratory system where some of this stuff can be growing? Can't a slight dip in temperature make the surface tissues in the nose, tonsils, throat and even chest a more habitable place for infection?

To answer your question, the overwhelming consensus regarding the evidence doesn't support the theory that cold weather causes or leads to infection. When the evidence supports that theory then I will change my opinion based upon the evidence.

Also, colds (or rhinosinusitis) are viral, not bacterial. A cold may develop into a secondary bacterial sinusitis, but this only happens in 2% of cold sufferers.

Our bodies do cause a fever during infections to help fight infections, but if a fever is too high it can also be harmful.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/comm...ges/cause.aspx

Cause

The viruses

One reason why there is no cure for the common cold is that more than 200 different viruses can cause cold symptoms. Some, such as rhinoviruses, seldom produce serious illnesses. Others, such as respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), produce mild infections in adults but can lead to severe lower respiratory tract infections in young children. (The lower respiratory tract includes the lungs.)

Rhinoviruses (from the Greek rhin, meaning “nose”) cause an estimated 30 to 50 percent of all colds. Scientists have identified more than 100 distinct rhinovirus types. For example, rhinovirus C was discovered only in 2007 and is found worldwide. Rhinoviruses grow best at temperatures of about 91ºF, the temperature inside the human nose.

Scientists think coronaviruses cause about 10 to 15 percent of all adult colds. They bring on colds primarily in the winter and early spring. Although many coronaviruses infect animals, only five infect humans, causing respiratory tract illness. How important coronaviruses are as a cause of colds is hard to assess because, unlike rhinoviruses, they are difficult to grow in a laboratory.

Adult cold symptoms also are caused by viruses that are responsible for other, more severe illnesses. These viruses are: adenoviruses, coxsackieviruses, echoviruses, orthomyxoviruses (including influenza A and B viruses, which cause flu), paramyxoviruses (including several parainfluenza viruses), RSV, and enteroviruses.
Researchers still haven't identified the causes of 20 to 30 percent of adult colds, presumed to be viral. Because current advances in technology are leading to new tools to diagnose diseases, however, the next decade undoubtedly will bring significantly greater understanding of the causes of the common cold.
The cold season

In the United States, most colds occur during the fall and winter. This may relate to the opening of schools and the start of cold weather, which prompt people to spend more time indoors and increase the chances that viruses will spread from person to person.

Seasonal changes in relative humidity also may affect the occurrence of colds. The most common cold-causing viruses survive better when humidity is low—the colder months of the year. Cold weather also may make the inside lining of your nose drier and more vulnerable to viral infection.
Other factors

Although a connection exists between the number of cases of the common cold and the fall and winter seasons, there is no experimental evidence that exposure to cold temperatures increases the chances that you will get a cold. There is also no evidence that your chances of getting a cold are related to enlarged tonsils or adenoids.

On the other hand, several research studies show that people who exercise regularly have a significantly reduced number of respiratory tract infections, such as the common cold, compared with those who don't exercise. Research also suggests that allergic diseases that affect the nose or throat and psychological stress may increase your chances of getting infected by cold viruses.

Look at what I've highlighted. There are environmental factors that favor the survival of certain cold viruses. However, there is no evidence this increases your chance of infection.

Cold weather causes a runny nose. The increased mucous production helps humidify the inhaled air which is good because cold viruses survive better in dry air. The increased mucous production and ciliary transport helps rid the mucous membranes of cold viruses. However, like a fever too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. The increased musous production can overcome the sinus ostia's ability to drain which can lead to a bacterial sinusitis.

Transmission



You can get infected by cold viruses by either

• Touching your skin or environmental surfaces, such as office phones, that have cold viruses on them and then touching your eyes or nose
• Inhaling drops of mucus full of cold viruses from the air

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

I have a medical degree and you are ignorant.

No, you don't. You're a liar. Straight up. No doctor would have the huge gaps in medical knowledge you do nor would they have a complete lack of understanding of the germ theory of disease.

Studying for my boards

No, you're not. My guess (which is also an assumption, I'm looking at you OSUfan), is you're a high school student with a poor understanding of WebMD. At best you're a Pre-Med major studying for a final or a med school drop out.

and I see all kinds of evidence of temperature affecting immune system. Cryoglobulinemia Cold/warm agglutinin syndrome.

Cryoglobulinemia is usually a sign of an underlying disease. Cryoglobulinemia doesn't increase one's risk for cold and flu infections.

Cold agglutinin disease can cause hemolytic anemia, not colds or flu. Infections, such as mononucleosis, can cause cold agglutinin disease, but cold agglutinin disease doesn't cause cold and flu infections. It can be associated with Mycoplasma pneumoniae pneumonia which shouldn't be confused with cold or flu viruses by little boys pretending to be doctors on the internet.

If you were a doctor, I wouldn't have to teach you this.

The point want that autoimmune disease causes influenza, the point was that temperature DOES have an effect on immunoglobulin function as evidenced in these diseases.

Really? Let's review...

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

Immunoglobulins function worse at colder temperatures. Hence why we are more prone to getting sick in the fall and winter.

Dalton got sick last year the Week of the playoff game because of no practice bubble.

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

If we lose because people got sick practicing in the cold

Seems you were infering cold weather causes someone to get a cold or flu. And no doctor would claim Dalton got sick because of no practice bubble.

People don't get sick by practicing in the cold. That is an old wives' tale. But as a doctor, you know this already.

Why don't you explain how humoral and cell mediated immunity works. And why there are around 200 different rhinoviruses, but you usually will only get infected by each of those viruse once unless it mutates.

You don't think your nose is the part of the respiratory system? It is and is also one of the organs that becomes vasoconstricted to shunt blood to the core.

Vasomotor rhinorrhea increases mucous production to humidify inspired cold, dry air and rid the the mucous membranes inside the nasal vestibule of pathogens. I don't know why I have to give physiology lessons to a doctor studying for his boards.

Guess what? That is also where a bunch of micro organisms live.

It sure is. They are called "normal flora." Stapholococcus epidermidis is a commensal bacteria inside the nose which doesn't cause disease and can reduce nasal colonization with Stapholococcus aureus or methicillin-resistant Stapholococcus aures (MRSA) which causes significant morbitity and mortality. But, of course I shouldn't have to tell a doctor that.

You also have billions of bacteria in you mouth, on your skin, and in your digestive tract which are a part of your immune system, kid. Have you ever heard of a probiotic? They are beneficial bacterial supplements which can aid in digestion and have a positive effect upon you immune system. Go look it up on WebMD or where ever your getting your incomplete information.

Also, guess what people do when they get cold - they shiver! They are using more energy to keep warm, which means less energy to fight infection.

What happens when people exercise in the cold, Doogie Howser? Exercise increases their core body temperature. When their core temperature increases they don't shiver. Vasodilation occurs in the periphery to shunt blood away from the core so they can rid the body of excess heat developed from the skeletal muscle contractions so they don't develop a heat injury, e.g. heat cramps, heat exhaustion, heat stroke. Don't believe me? Stand outside until you shiver. Then start doing pushups until you reach muscle failure, then rollover and do flutter kicks until you can't lift your heels off the ground, then run in place. Guess what will happen? You'll warm up and stop shivering. I guarantee it. I still don't understand why I have to give physiology lectures to a doctor.

Look at USMLE questions - even the boards say you can give Osetamivir so long as you catch it w/I 48 hours.

Look Doogie Howser, why on Earth would I look up prescribing information with the USMLE instead of consulting the manufacturer's package insert? No doctor would ever suggest to me to consult the USMLE regarding prescriptions. That's just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

If their doctors are any good, he should already be on Tamiflu so long as it was properly diagnosed within 48 hrs. He will be feeling like crap for 2 days but should be ok by Sunday.

Knowing when not to prescribe a medication is just as important as knowing when to prescribe it. I can't imagine a doctor being unfamiliar with when not to prescribe tamiflu. If you are studying for your boards (which I don't believe) you are going to fail.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals...clinicians.htm

That's the CDC guidelines. You need to review it.

Antiviral treatment also can be considered for any previously healthy, symptomatic outpatient not at high risk with confirmed or suspected influenza on the basis of clinical judgment, if treatment can be initiated within 48 hours of illness onset.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/antiviral.htm

Treatment with influenza antiviral drugs is generally not needed for people who are not at higher risk for complications or do not have severe influenza, such as those requiring hospitalization.

Why are you supposed to give Tamiflu within the first 48 hours? Because the manufacturer hasn't study it if given after 40 hours.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsa...246s033lbl.pdf

TAMIFLU was started within 40 hours of onset of symptoms.

Can you give tamiflu after 48 hours? You sure can, depending upon the clinical situation and your judgment

However, antiviral treatment might still be beneficial in patients with severe, complicated or progressive illness and in hospitalized patients when started after 48 hours of illness onset, as indicated by observational studies.

What does tamiflu do? It may decrease the duration of the flu by 1-2 days and it may decrease the severity of symptoms slightly. But, you will still be sick. Typically, for 5-7 days. Sometimes up to 2 weeks. Any doctor studying for his boards claiming the flu gets better in 2 days clearly doesn't understand the flu.

Why do we reserve tamiflu for high risk patients instead of giving it to every healty adult who walks in? Resistance. A healthy person with the flu will most likely feel like crap for a week and get better on their own. In a high risk patient, say a 67 y/o with COPD, tamiflu might prevent them from getting a life threatening pneumonia and dying.

A lot of doctors will prescribe medications because it is easier and quicker to write the prescription rather than explain why the patient doesn't need it in the first place. But, of course you don't have to worry about that because you're not a doctor. Because if you were a doctor I wouldn't need to teach you when you should and should not prescribe tamiflu. Poseur.

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

Some viruses can survive up to 6 weeks outside.

Cold viruses can live outside the body for up to 2 weeks, maybe.

Human flu viruses for 2-8 hours.

I've have a really bad feeling about you passing your alleged medical boards. However much time you're spending studying; double it.

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

You let your kids run outside without a jacket don't you? It's called being proactive and preventing an illness before it can start.

Being outside in the cold does not always make you sick.

Being inside where it's warm WILL make you much less likely to get sick compared to a person outside in the cold.

Hey Mr apologist, try and understand this:

Cold weather makes body temp drop
To conserve heat, body thermoregulates by vasoconstricting blood vessels and shunting blood away from periphery and to core
Less blood at periphery means less white blood cells at periphery
Which means better chance of infection

Also, some viruses thrive in cold

All the sick people with colds and the flu are inside. Being inside with them increases your risk of infection with a cold or the flu.

Any real doctor would know this.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

I in no way should be answering for him, nor do I care, but he has a medical degree too.

I'm a physician assistant, not a medical doctor.

[Shake n Blake]

"The day is kind of the same other than just getting on a bus. I did it in college. It doesn't change much," Whitworth said. "I don't think that’s a big difference as much as it is just getting to go inside and throw the football and run the football and make cuts and you don’t have to worry about falling down or being in the ice or wind or wherever every single day. Sometimes in practice you're trying to work against looks and it's hard to get the speed of the looks when everybody is worried about their footing or the conditions."

- Andrew Whitworth


Whether or not cold temps can weaken your immune system is debatable.

What Whit just pointed out is not. This is a not-so-subtle hint from the leader of our team.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

"The day is kind of the same other than just getting on a bus. I did it in college. It doesn't change much," Whitworth said. "I don't think that’s a big difference as much as it is just getting to go inside and throw the football and run the football and make cuts and you don’t have to worry about falling down or being in the ice or wind or wherever every single day. Sometimes in practice you're trying to work against looks and it's hard to get the speed of the looks when everybody is worried about their footing or the conditions."

- Andrew Whitworth


Whether or not cold temps can weaken your immune system is debatable.

What Whit just pointed out is not. This is a not-so-subtle hint from the leader of our team.

So one of leaders confirmed it was no big deal to get on a bus and ride 10 minutes to practice at the Bearcats bubble.

Thta sums it up for me. No need for MB to build his own bubble especially when you factor in it would probably be at least 10 minutes away from PBS.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

So one of leaders confirmed it was no big deal to get on a bus and ride 10 minutes to practice at the Bearcats bubble.

Thta sums it up for me. No need for MB to build his own bubble especially when you factor in it would probably be at least 10 minutes away from PBS.

The Bearcats bubble isn't always available though, so a "professional" NFL franchise should have their own bubble, rather than one that's shared with the local college team.

You see, the Bearcats have a football team that plays (and practices) during the same time of year the Bengals do. So, the Bengals are 2nd in line to use that bubble. A professional NFL franchise has to check and see if the local college team is using the bubble, before they can actually use that bubble. Thats pathetic.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

The Bearcats bubble isn't always available though, so a "professional" NFL franchise should have their own bubble, rather than one that's shared with the local college team.

You see, the Bearcats have a football team that plays (and practices) during the same time of year the Bengals do. So, the Bengals are 2nd in line to use that bubble. A professional NFL franchise has to check and see if the local college team is using the bubble, before they can actually use that bubble. Thats pathetic.

Yeah, we need our own practice facility no doubt.

BTW, is that an actual terrible towel in your avatar? LMAO!!!

Wouldn't surprise me.