Center Rotation

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Who played at center last two games?

You can drive around Smith in a humaround and Boling is flat out 2nd string.

Dalton has also been running for his life to escape sacks and has been consistently pressured which has led to a rash of incompletions in crucial drives which = a 3-4 home record.

So, NFL players aren't allowed to have bad games?

Biggest problem with this offense right now is the play calling not helping them at all. Boling and Andre will be fine.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

So, NFL players aren't allowed to have bad games?

Biggest problem with this offense right now is the play calling not helping them at all. Boling and Andre will be fine.

Bad career when it comes to pass protection...Andre = gone after this year, no way we pay him elite tackle $'s.

Boling is still young and good for depth...we need to make a splash in FA and kick Alexander to the curb.

I agree with the crap play calling.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Bad career when it comes to pass protection...Andre = gone after this year, no way we pay him elite tackle $'s.

Boling is still young and good for depth...we need to make a splash in FA and kick Alexander to the curb.

I agree with the crap play calling.

I wouldn't write Boling off just yet. The improvment he's made from last year to this, has been pretty big. Give him another year to get a bit stronger (with a year's worth of experience) and he's going to be an above average LG. 'Dre probably needs to lose about 20 more lbs and get a modest raise. I don't know if he has, but it looks like he's put on some lbs during the year. Still, pretty agile for as big as he is.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I wouldn't write Boling off just yet. The improvment he's made from last year to this, has been pretty big. Give him another year to get a bit stronger (with a year's worth of experience) and he's going to be an above average LG. 'Dre probably needs to lose about 20 more lbs and get a modest raise. I don't know if he has, but it looks like he's put on some lbs during the year. Still, pretty agile for as big as he is.

Not writing Boling off, but he's not ready to start in the league.

Look for other teams to offer more for Andre Smith which is a good thing because I'd like to see Andy be able to confidently step up in the pocket without having to worry about being decapitated. Tired of seeing him rushed, flushed and throwing off his back foot.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Rattler

I got Fat Boy not being re-signed next year, what you got? Man booby crush?

Thsi doesn't even make any sense. Have I broken you down to the point that you can post nothing but gibberish? Are you seriously saying that if Dre doesn't get re-signed that means he stinks? Like Justin Smith and Jonathan Joseph?

And my love for man boobs has nothing to do with this.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Thsi doesn't even make any sense. Have I broken you down to the point that you can post nothing but gibberish? Are you seriously saying that if Dre doesn't get re-signed that means he stinks? Like Justin Smith and Jonathan Joseph?

And my love for man boobs has nothing to do with this.

Means he can't pass block to save his or Andy's life. He's not worth elite tackle dollars...he's overpaid and under skilled proportionally for a statue who when nicked, bleeds tartar sauce.

Mike Brown wouldn't pay Smith or Joseph who were both then and now skilled above Fat Boy positionally.

He won't be re-signed, so get your man boob fix while you can.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by bfine32

I wonder why other teams haven't employed this Center by Committee approach?

Good damn question Bfine.

Originally Posted by wilsonscience

I call B.S. on what Gruden said. I don't think he believes a WORD of what he said. It's not his call--> Paul Alexander is calling this and Marvin is too scared to say no him.

Gruden's too smart to honestly believe what he said. He knows it's crap but it's not his call to keep Robinson in.

PAUL ALEXANDER IS BEHIND THIS ***** DECISION....

This makes more sense to me. Grude seems like a really intelligent guy, don't get why
this would be said by him unless it is more handcuffing. Bad time for it too, couldn't have
a worse time. Hopefully we can work through this and pull out this pivotal game.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Means he can't pass block to save his or Andy's life. He's not worth elite tackle dollars...he's overpaid and under skilled proportionally for a statue who when nicked, bleeds tartar sauce.

Mike Brown wouldn't pay Smith or Joseph who were both then and now skilled above Fat Boy positionally.

He won't be re-signed, so get your man boob fix while you can.

Wow, more middle school insulkts with out anything to back up what you are saying. Do you actually think this is the way adulkts debate an issue.

Either post some comments by experts to back up what you are saying about Dre, or post some stats comparing him to other OTs, or post something about your credentials that gives me some reason to respect your opinion. Because so far you just sound like a kid who knows nothing about O-line play.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Wow, more middle school insulkts with out anything to back up what you are saying. Do you actually think this is the way adulkts debate an issue.

Either post some comments by experts to back up what you are saying about Dre, or post some stats comparing him to other OTs, or post something about your credentials that gives me some reason to respect your opinion. Because so far you just sound like a kid who knows nothing about O-line play.

Insulkts by adukts?

Would you like video of mass pass protect fail since you can't see the trees for the forest?

Open your eyes homey

[BengalTrucker]

Andre is a great run blocker, but struggles against fast rushers in the passing game.

The easiest way to fix that is give him help with a TE, or FB chipping. It is what most teams do with a player in that position, however the Bengals have not done that regualrly the last few years.

I think the biggest reason is Gresham stinks a blocking.

Bolings, Smith and everyone have suffered with the rotating of Centers as that messes with the timing for the whole O line.

Whoever is making calls like that should not be a coach in the NFL.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by BengalTrucker

Bolings, Smith and everyone have suffered with the rotating of Centers as that messes with the timing for the whole O line.
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This is not true at all. Faine stepped in with less than a weeks practice and we won 3 of our first four games. Then when Robinson was inserted as starter we won four of five.

Blaming the center position for the failings of the entire line is ridiculous.

[BengalTrucker]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

This is not true at all. Faine stepped in with less than a weeks practice and we won 3 of our first four games. Then when Robinson was inserted as starter we won four of five.

Blaming the center position for the failings of the entire line is ridiculous.

Yes, but they did not upset the snap, during the game. They gave everyone a week to get used to the difference.

Fed, thinking that switching Centers during the game, and going back and forth is not messing with the O line is ignorant at best.

You know better than that crap. Stop being a blind homer when it comes to your man crush on Alexander, or whoever is making that stupid call.

I know you are smarter than that.

[BengalTrucker]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

This is not true at all. Faine stepped in with less than a weeks practice and we won 3 of our first four games. Then when Robinson was inserted as starter we won four of five.

Blaming the center position for the failings of the entire line is ridiculous.

Who makes the reads and O line calls during the game?
Who has to adjust to the blitzs, and stunts up the middle?
Who sets the timing of the entire O line, with the snap of the ball?

Here is a HINT!!!! It is the Center, and switching the Center during a game can and does affect the entire O line.

You know this, you have played enough football to know better than that.

You homerism on this is so beneath you. I thought you had more football sense and knowledge than this.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by BengalTrucker

Fed, thinking that switching Centers during the game, and going back and forth is not messing with the O line is ignorant at best.

You do realize that teams used to rotate OGs into the game with the plays. It was called using a "messenger guard" system and Paul Brown invented it.

The other players on the o-line do not do anything differently based on who is playing center. If there were miscommunications based on Cook being in there then that would be different, but that is not happening at all.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

You do realize that teams used to rotate OGs into the game with the plays. It was called using a "messenger guard" system and Paul Brown invented it.

The other players on the o-line do not do anything differently based on who is playing center. If there were miscommunications based on Cook being in there then that would be different, but that is not happening at all.

No, they're just having their ***** handed to them -- bull rushed, knocked into next week and completely taken out of the play, or in Andre's case, just being run right around like an orange traffic barrel.

But nothing to be alarmed about huh toast.

[BengalTrucker]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

You do realize that teams used to rotate OGs into the game with the plays. It was called using a "messenger guard" system and Paul Brown invented it.

The other players on the o-line do not do anything differently based on who is playing center. If there were miscommunications based on Cook being in there then that would be different, but that is not happening at all.

Yes, and other teams used RB, TE, or WR to do the same thing.

They didn't upset the timing of the snap, and when the rest of the O line had to start moving by changing Centers.

You played and are smart enough to know this.

Every Center snaps the ball a little differently, that is why changing Center can affect the exchange between Center and QB. It also can affect the timing for the whole O line.

You know better than this. Put the man crush on Cook, and Alexander aside and look at this rationally.

When it comes to football knowledge, we may disagree on things, but I always respected the idea you approached it with common sense and a good base of knowledge.

I think your man crush is affecting that.