Marvin Lewis you and your staff are a joke

[Helldog]

Originally Posted by McC

If the title of the article on the front page was about Marvin, I'd have to agree.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...3-15422ce56cf5

Let me get this straight. You go up against Peyton Manning and what you worry about is stopping the run? Am I missing something? If that's not all the evidence required to know how clueless Marvin is, I don't know what is. Marvin--'You just have to go'. What a clown. I'd fire his *** over that alone.

Marvin, George Costanza thinks you need to adopt his "Opposite" philosophy on your way out of town. Maybe it'll serve you well in your next job. What a farging icehole. I'll never have one ounce of hope for this organization until that boob is outa here.

a man boob is actually considered a moob.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Whodey23

a man boob is actually considered a moob.

He not only is one, he has them.

[Abspara]

The Broncos actually have a decent run game thanks to the passing threat Payton brings. I hate Marvin just as much as anyone around here does, but I don't entirely disagree with him on this point.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Abspara

The Broncos actually have a decent run game thanks to the passing threat Payton brings. I hate Marvin just as much as anyone around here does, but I don't entirely disagree with him on this point.

I've watched or listened to all or nearly all of the 8, 9, 10, whatever stright wins Peyton has against us, and the one approach Marvin has never tried is to stomp on Peyton from the opening gun and never let up, the way the Pats used to do, back when the Pats had a D and owned Peyton's ***. You play a HOF QB, you attack him and hope you tackle the running back on the way there. Good running game or not, Peyton is the strength of that team. Any good coach beats you by taking away what you do best. Coaching 101.

[RumbleCat]

Originally Posted by McC

Maybe it'll serve you well in your next job. What a farging icehole. I'll never have one ounce of hope for this organization until that boob is outa here.

I had a really cool response to this buddy, and then upon further review, I overturned the idea because I would have been punished.

P.S. It had some awesome pics!

[Bengal4ever68]

Man, Marvin is a dumb sh**...And i feel sorry for the reporters like Joe Reedy and all of them cause Marvin is basically ruining there careers too because they get the same thing from him in every interview. "Gotta convert on 3rd downs, create turnovers, protect the football, & put points on the board, giggles"..

[thompson19osu]

Originally Posted by Bengal4ever68

Man, Marvin is a dumb sh**...And i feel sorry for the reporters like Joe Reedy and all of them cause Marvin is basically ruining there careers too because they get the same thing from him in every interview. "Gotta convert on 3rd downs, create turnovers, protect the football, & put points on the board, giggles"..

Ironically the very things his team fails to do.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by McC

If the title of the article on the front page was about Marvin, I'd have to agree.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...3-15422ce56cf5

Let me get this straight. You go up against Peyton Manning and what you worry about is stopping the run? Am I missing something? If that's not all the evidence required to know how clueless Marvin is, I don't know what is. Marvin--'You just have to go'. What a clown. I'd fire his *** over that alone.

Marvin, George Costanza thinks you need to adopt his "Opposite" philosophy on your way out of town. Maybe it'll serve you well in your next job. What a farging icehole. I'll never have one ounce of hope for this organization until that boob is outa here.

If he goes he needs to take about 5 other coaches with him. P. Alexander, Hayes', Jim Anderson, Zampesse.

Something sytematically isn't right with this team. You can only blame the players for so long. However when you don't fear your job what is there to lose.

[Bengal4ever68]

Originally Posted by thompson19osu

Ironically the very things his team fails to do.

True..I don't bother watching his press confrences just because it's the same thing over and over

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by McC

If the title of the article on the front page was about Marvin, I'd have to agree.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...3-15422ce56cf5

Let me get this straight. You go up against Peyton Manning and what you worry about is stopping the run? Am I missing something? If that's not all the evidence required to know how clueless Marvin is, I don't know what is. Marvin--'You just have to go'. What a clown. I'd fire his *** over that alone.

Marvin, George Costanza thinks you need to adopt his "Opposite" philosophy on your way out of town. Maybe it'll serve you well in your next job. What a farging icehole. I'll never have one ounce of hope for this organization until that boob is outa here.

Couldn't agree more McC ! I'm completely done with Marvin and most of the staff. Marvin in the worst HC in the NFL. We're going nowhere as long as this clown is running the show. He peaked in 05 and on any real NFL team he would have been gone after 08. What in the name of hell Mike still sees in him I'll never know. How much longer can Mike beat this dead horse ? ?

[devils advocate]

Stopping the run is Marvin's forte' { so is LBers ... }. That's not to deny his genius. It truly isnt.

However something is definitely lacking and to my eye it's not the talent. which eliminates other possibilities by default. With that said, I suppose Marvin is interfering. Enough of my expertize. That's French for expertism.


Rock on jethro tull " too old to RnR"


does anybody else think typing is outdated?????

[McC]

Originally Posted by devils advocate

Stopping the run is Marvin's forte' { so is LBers ... }. That's not to deny his genius. It truly isnt.

However something is definitely lacking and to my eye it's not the talent. which eliminates other possibilities by default. With that said, I suppose Marvin is interfering. Enough of my expertize. That's French for expertism.


Rock on jethro tull " too old to RnR"


does anybody else think typing is outdated?????

There's always that Dragon thingie.

[pat5775]

Originally Posted by thompson19osu

Ironically the very things his team fails to do.

Ironically, the very things that well-coached teams rarely fail to do.

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by devils advocate

Stopping the run is Marvin's forte' { so is LBers ... }. That's not to deny his genius. It truly isnt.

However something is definitely lacking and to my eye it's not the talent. which eliminates other possibilities by default. With that said, I suppose Marvin is interfering. Enough of my expertize. That's French for expertism.


Rock on jethro tull " too old to RnR"


does anybody else think typing is outdated?????

Right on !

We've had our share of talent thru the years. Our coaching staff has just utterly failed to capitalize in any way, on any of it !

[devils advocate]

Originally Posted by McC

There's always that Dragon thingie.

Well Mc, you must know that Ive always respected your humble, albeit trying opinion 'round these parts. Ive finally conceded ( and Fred should too ) that Marvin MUST GO!!!!!!!

[yellowxdiscipline]

Marvin is repeatitive and often makes no sense. I dont think he even knows what he saying half of the time.

[Vikairius]

Originally Posted by bengalfan74

Couldn't agree more McC ! I'm completely done with Marvin and most of the staff. Marvin in the worst HC in the NFL. We're going nowhere as long as this clown is running the show. He peaked in 05 and on any real NFL team he would have been gone after 08. What in the name of hell Mike still sees in him I'll never know. How much longer can Mike beat this dead horse ? ?

IDK about all that jazz but he is pretty bad.

[pat5775]

Originally Posted by Vikairius

IDK about all that jazz but he is pretty bad.

I honestly can't think of a single HC in the NFL I wouldn't take over Marvin Lewis... yes, I've reached that point.

[Sham69Rock]

Originally Posted by Sham69Rock

Repost. Still holds true for the most part. Feel free to add on & discuss

Every year I struggle with Marvin Lewis. He is the head coach of my hometown and favorite football team plus he has done a lot for this team in the time he has been here.

1. He brought Cincinnati their first non losing season since 1996 and their first winning season since 1990.

2. He came in to Cincinnati and within two years cleaned out most of the malcontents and guys just collecting paychecks and completely turned the attitude of this team and even this city around. As fans we are now disappointed when the Bengals don’t make the playoff or finish above .500. Hell, just ten years ago we would have been happy to not be drafting in the top 5 every year.

3.He has set up multiple charities and gives a lot of his free time to emcee events in the community.

4. In seven years he has only had two losing seasons, one of those was a 7-9 season.
So, as you can see Marvin has done a lot of good things here in Cincinnati and all of that makes it hard to root against him. But there are bigger issues that seem to be road blocking Marvin and crew from entering the promised land.

My biggest issue is the seemingly inability to coach up talent. And I’m starting to think that not only can he not coach up talent, but he makes great players bad. I think it has always been in the back of my mind, but what really put me over the edge is watching Carson Palmer this last year and a half.
This was supposed to be HIS year. He was healthy. No knee issue, no elbow issue. Chad was in the best shape of his life, we just signed Terrell Owens, picked-up Shipley and Gresham to replace TJ, Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson were a year older. An improved center, Kyle Cook, meant better protection. And Cedric Benson was back, which meant a better balance on offense which would keep defenses guessing and would open up the field for Palmer.
Wrong.
And while I have had an entire off-season & now four games to ponder and pick this apart, I am ready to blame Marvin Lewis and the coaching staff. And not just for Palmer, but the lack of development from any young players on this team. Want some evidence? Glad you asked.

2003:
1. Carson Palmer, first round drat pick. He peaked in 2005 with a tremendous year. He showed us why he won a Heisman Trophy and gave us a glimpse of what the next 5-10 years were going to look like. Then came the knee injury. Then came the elbow injury. Then came the unexplained mediocre season. He is regressing. He is regressing to the point where I have heard people actually talk about drafting another quarterback next year. It breaks my heart, because I am loyal to Palmer to a fault, but even I am growing impatient and need to see him take a step forward this year. And not just in a losing effort against Cleveland.
2. Kelly Washington, third round draft pick. Kelly was supposed to be that other big receiver that had speed to compliment Chad on the other side of the field. Instead, the Bengals drafted a guy that was more interested in perfecting his ridiculous dance that he seemed to do not only in the end zone, but after first downs as well, detracting from its specialness, if it ever had any. So after a couple mediocre years here, he has kicked around other teams like the Patriots and the Ravens and has had no more success there either.

2004:
1. Chris Perry, first round draft pick. The Bengals apparently have been living under a rock. If they had been paying attention they would know that you NEVER draft a running back from Michigan. If we look back to the previous big name backs to come out of Michigan it would have been Tyrone Wheatley and Tim Biakabutuka, or “touchdown Tim” as he was called. While both were quite successful running backs in college, neither had a great career in the NFL. Perry was an even more unique case because the Bengals put up with the injuries and Perry rewarded their patience with the worst case of fumblitis in years. We could've had franchise running back Steven Jackson with the 24th pick, but instead traded it for the 26th pick and a late round pick, which turned out to be Perry & Stacey Andrews. I won't go too far into the Andrews debacle.
2. Keiwan Ratliff, second round draft pick. Supposed to be a starting corner and a return guy. He did neither very well. Undersized, slow, and calling for fair catches on the 5 yard line are no way to go through life son. Because of Keiwan being such a bust the Bengals would eventually have to draft Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall in back to back drafts with first round picks.
3. Caleb Miller, third round draft pick. I had forgotten that Caleb was drafted this high. He was undersized to play linebacker, but Marvin and crew liked his speed and smarts. That’s great, but last I checked you can’t coach size. Caleb would have got trucked by Darren Sproles, so imagine what years of someone like Jerome Bettis was doing to this kid?
4. Matthias Askew, fourth round draft pick. Matthias was an admitted “project.” He was a monster and super strong, but rough technique-wise. After a couple underwhelming years and getting tased by Cincinnati police for refusing to move his car that was parked on the sidewalk, he was released and is out of the NFL.

2005:
1. Odell Thurman, second round draft pick. Perhaps not entirely the Bengals fault. Not much time to develop a guy that can’t stay out of trouble. But then why draft him if you know what kind of baggage he comes with? And where was the effort to keep this kid out of trouble?
2. Chris Henry, third round draft pick. Bless his soul. Also not entirely the Bengals fault, but again after he was brought back to the team, why didn’t the Bengals just hire someone to follow him around and keep him out of trouble? Even besides that, on the field it just seemed like this kid was out there playing backyard football, he just went out and got open. How many times did we see Palmer screaming at Henry for running the wrong route on the sideline? And why was Palmer the only one yelling at him?
3. Eric Ghiaciuc, fourth round draft pick. He was supposed to be the heir apparent to Rich Braham, instead he was the heir apparent to Swiss cheese. He was poor at picking up defenses and even more poor at blocking, not exactly a good combination for a center.

2006:
1. AJ Nicholson, fifth round draft pick. A little low to help prove my point, but this was yet another middle linebacker that the Bengals and specifically Marvin Lewis drafted that was supposed to inherit this defense and make it his own. His checkered past, surprise, was what made him drop to the fifth round. His inability to be coached up got him released and out of the league.
2. Reggie McNeal, sixth round draft pick. I include Reggie because there is no better example on this list of a coaching failure than this guy. He was the Bengals attempt at trying to convert a college quarterback into a NFL caliber receiver, much like Matt Jones that they signed this off-season, except Reggie never got it. Come to think of it, did Matt Jones ever get it? Sigh…

2007:
1. Marvin White, fourth round draft pick. Marvin was supposed to be the hard-hitting, run stopping safety that the Bengals had been missing since David Fulcher. He wasn’t. After three lackluster years in Cincinnati he was released.

2008:
1. Jerome Simpson, second round draft pick. Jerome was drafted with both DeSaun Jackson and Limas Sweed still on the board. When he was selected it was almost stunned silence at Radio City Music Hall. The ESPN analysts had no idea what to say, they didn’t figure this kid to get drafted until the late third or fourth round. So far, Jerome has been dressed for how many games? They knew he was going to be a project coming out of Coastal Carolina, sadly I don’t think that they knew how big of a project.
2. Jason Shirley, fifth round draft pick. Another project for a team that has no business taking on projects this high in the draft. A mammoth defensive tackle that they are trying to convert to guard. They like his raw strength, but his lack of technique and injuries are keeping him back.

2009:
1. Andre Smith, first round draft pick. Tons of fun has barely hit the field, and when he does he's backing up Dennis "frickin'" Roland. For a #6 overall pick, this one is truly pathetic. Again, they knew what they were getting when they picked him.
2. Chase Coffman, third round draft pick. He was the greatest receiving tight end in college football history. It was a known fact that he needed some serious help with his blocking & fundamentals. Instead of him, Dan Coats is actually still employed in the NFL.

2010:
1. Carlos Dunlap, 2nd round draft pick. Too early to truly judge, but rather inactive the first part of this season. Plus, was known in college for some character issues.
2. Otis Hudson, 5th round draft pick. Nobody expected this guy to even be drafted. He should've been a college free agent, and is now purely practice squad fodder.

Keep in mind that most of the players I looked at were higher draft picks, I didn’t even bother with the multitude of failures in the bottom half of the Marvin Lewis drafts.
Still, by my count that is two full drafts worth of failed projects, no coaching and wasted time and money. If just half of these guys are coached up to their true potential think of how much better this team could be. How many different middle linebackers have the Bengals been forced to draft to find the one? Caleb Miller, Odell Thurman, AJ Nicholson, Ahmad Brooks, and Rey Maualuga. That is 5 different guys in 8 years, and that doesn’t include the current incumbent Dhani Jones. Think of how much time and money has been wasted at that one position because this team can’t/won’t take the time to make these kids learn.

The same thing can be said for the wide receiver position as well as running back and corner back. Think of how many times the Bengals have had to waste draft picks to make up for mistakes from the previous year.

Is it all Marvin’s fault? No, not directly, but indirectly it is. Is he not responsible for the coaches underneath him? Yes. And if he has coaches not performing, clearly that is as bad if not worse than when players aren’t performing. You can’t tell me that Marvin doesn’t look at all the same stuff I just laid out here, he can’t be that dumb not to. But little to no changes have been made in his tenure here, and maybe it is long over due?

I am about to do something that I will hate myself for the second I post this. Look at Bob Huggins. The coach, not the giant ****** bag of a man, just as a coach. He recruited questionable talent and got kids from places no one would have ever looked, namely the local penitentiary. But what he has always been able to do is get 100% from the players he coaches. He did great things with talentless teams. Just look at the year West Virgina had last season, can you name more than one player on that team? Didn’t think so. And now compare that to Marvin Lewis.

Makes you cry a little inside doesn’t it? This isn’t the first time. I have called coach Lewis out before and will continue to do so until I see players on this team performing like players on the Colts and Patriots teams. Doesn’t matter if they are a rookie or a wiley old veteran, the coaches on those teams always seem to get the most out of their players. That is also why I won’t get into Marvin’s HORRIBLE play clock management skills, and his refusal to fix all the penalty issues this team has year in and year out. I am sure this has been addressed in several post today. You should go back and read them all to make sure though.

Sorry, Marvin. There has been a lot of good things that you have brought to this city and you should be recognized and respected, but you couldn’t coach up talent if you were paid to do it. Wait a minute, that’s exactly what you are paid to do.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I just talked positively about Bob Huggins. I now must go take a cold shower until I’m clean again.


Now, on to today, 11/10/12:
Now that I've had the extreme pleasure of watching an additional 8 games this season, I am no longer up in the air. Not whatsoever. Tuck it and walk/run now Marvin. You will not be a Head Coach in the NFL again. IT'S OVER !!!!!!!

I posted this way back in November of '10. Unfortunately, It's All still TRUE

[Abspara]

#yuuup!

[bfine32]

I was thinking earlier, that there is just something missing on these boards. Couldn't quite put my finger on it. Then you come up with this and I realized the thing that was missing was another fire Marvin thread. Thanks, you have made the boards complete.

The only thing that could make the boards any better would be if somebody else came up with a fire Marvin thread.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by Sham69Rock

I posted this way back in November of '10. Unfortunately, It's All still TRUE

Why are you still posting?

[BengalsRocker]

I agree for the most part.

Except for Kelly Washington. They should have just went with him and went away from Chris Henry. They could never depend on him because of all of his bad judgements. I even recall Kelly coming in and scoring a couple of TDs in a game when Henry was not able to play. Sadly enough nothing seemed to get through to Slim.

I know Washington busted eventually... but he could have been used more here in Cincy. Hopefully it won't trend again like with Sanu and Jones. The old bench rot does nothing for the morale or contribute to wins when lesser talent is on the field.

It's sad to see what happened to Shipley. We never would have needed to draft him though if the team would have kept Kevin Walter. The guy was even a close friend with Palmer. What were they thinking there? He might not have had the speed/moves of Ship but he was reliable, "did his job" and was tough.

I think Marvin head coaches college ball after the Bengals... that is if he ever leaves.

[fortyyearfan]

Originally Posted by Sham69Rock

I posted this way back in November of '10. Unfortunately, It's All still TRUE

man, this is the best evaluation of marvin and company and his draft picks i have ever seen. you have done a ton of homework to make this posting and its very much apprecieated by me and all who read this stuff.you should print this out and mail it certified mail to old marvin.if you do the address is : CINCINNATI BENGALS
ONE PAUL BROWN STADIUM
ATTN: MARVIN LEWIS
CINCINNATI, OHIO .ZIP CODE.

[Billgrus]

Marvin only tries to win every other year. It's his master strategy to finally get the franchise over the hump and win a superbowl