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[jack1953]

Originally Posted by coachmcneil71

First of all Andy isn't in the same class as the Manning bros.He hasn't even won a playoff game let alone a SB ring. He doesn't have their pedigree either. Andy has several shortcomings but to point them out is nit picking. All in all he has been a blessing and I'm thankful that he fell into the second rd.
There was a reason that he fell.
Try to take into account that the league is currently very pass friendly & he's throwing to basketball players for most of his numbers and I would say that he is currently exceeding expectations.To say that he is even close to a Manning is a large stretch across an endless ocean.
Hey I like the kid but he needs more competiton to push him other than only having Grad who he knows is there strictly as a back up with no pressure on him.
Look at SF...it's nice to have two good qb's, a few weapons, and a solid D.
A team can go all the way on that combo.

Comparing Dalton to Peyton, a 14 year veteran, is a joke to begin with. As far as Eli goes, he has definitely ridden the coat tails of his defense and special teams!!

Look at his seasonal record and watch the highlights of the Giants/Bengals game. Dalton has NEVER looked that bad in a game,,,,,,EVER!!!! He is the most inconsistent overrated SB QB today!

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by ElkValleyBengal

It's really quite striking how many will forgive his shortcomings as opposed to Gresham and others. Of course it's never all about the QB, but when I hear over and over how he practically needs Pro Bowl caliber talent everywhere around him, I'm inclined to think many here think he's a poorer QB than I do. And by the way, that 4-12 team had nothing to do with Andy. In both his seasons the defense has been top 10, and yes it has overall been more responsible for the team's success than the offense.

Is it striking to you that a QB with 2 years in the league is asked to do a little bit more than a TE in his third year? Look at it another way: Show me an NFL QB with lesser talent than the Bengals surrounding him (include experience) yet has better results than Dalton. Don't bother including RGIII and Russell Wilson. Love what those guys are doing, but if they don't become more of a pocket passer, they will become the next generation of Mike Vick.

When you evaluate these other QBs, think about the fact that Dalton faces pissburg and Baltimore twice a year, while the likes of Brady get the AFC Least and Manning faced those amazing Raiders, Cheifs, and Chargers.

This should be interesting.

[ElkValleyBengal]

Ah, so you take 2 QBs off the table to start. I'll say Romo and Roethlisberger would fit that criteria. Look at the rushing stats of those teams, especially Dallas who finished 31st in yards while averaging 3.6 a pop. Sure Romo has Witten (who is rarely 100% these days and past his prime). Roethlisberger struggled late in the year to be sure, but he still finished top ten in QB rating, for what that's worth. We all know their line is worse than Cincy's, and Wallace had a disappointing season. Cam Newton was probably a notch below Dalton when you take the entire season into account, but he outplayed Andy in the second half of the year.

If you're going by team results, which many do with Dalton, then Andrew Luck took a team with less talent and two rookie TEs to the playoffs with an 11-5 record. I hate saying that a QB took a team anywhere, but that's the adopted lexicon.

My thing with Dalton is this- he simply has to improve his vertical passing, and by a substantial margin. Some here bring up his happy feet, which was evident late in the season. I'm not as hard on him for that, because frankly that's the norm with most QBs. He needs to work on it to be sure, but he's no worse than a majority of QBs in that regard. Some have criticized his inability to extend a play. I actually think he's above average in that area. I think he can improve in all those areas, which is why I bring it up to begin with. If Gradkowski was out there missing guys downfield all day, I'd just chalk it up to a lack of talent. But I am convinced that if we're here a year from now with the same complaints about Dalton's deep ball, it's just not going to happen.

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Manning also had the luxury of having Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne.

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Originally Posted by ElkValleyBengal

Ah, so you take 2 QBs off the table to start. I'll say Romo and Roethlisberger would fit that criteria. Look at the rushing stats of those teams, especially Dallas who finished 31st in yards while averaging 3.6 a pop. Sure Romo has Witten (who is rarely 100% these days and past his prime). Roethlisberger struggled late in the year to be sure, but he still finished top ten in QB rating, for what that's worth. We all know their line is worse than Cincy's, and Wallace had a disappointing season. Cam Newton was probably a notch below Dalton when you take the entire season into account, but he outplayed Andy in the second half of the year.

If you're going by team results, which many do with Dalton, then Andrew Luck took a team with less talent and two rookie TEs to the playoffs with an 11-5 record. I hate saying that a QB took a team anywhere, but that's the adopted lexicon.

My thing with Dalton is this- he simply has to improve his vertical passing, and by a substantial margin. Some here bring up his happy feet, which was evident late in the season. I'm not as hard on him for that, because frankly that's the norm with most QBs. He needs to work on it to be sure, but he's no worse than a majority of QBs in that regard. Some have criticized his inability to extend a play. I actually think he's above average in that area. I think he can improve in all those areas, which is why I bring it up to begin with. If Gradkowski was out there missing guys downfield all day, I'd just chalk it up to a lack of talent. But I am convinced that if we're here a year from now with the same complaints about Dalton's deep ball, it's just not going to happen.

Luck also gets the advantage of playing Jax and Tennessee twice a year, whereas Andy has to play Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by ElkValleyBengal

Ah, so you take 2 QBs off the table to start. I'll say Romo and Roethlisberger would fit that criteria. Look at the rushing stats of those teams, especially Dallas who finished 31st in yards while averaging 3.6 a pop. Sure Romo has Witten (who is rarely 100% these days and past his prime). Roethlisberger struggled late in the year to be sure, but he still finished top ten in QB rating, for what that's worth. We all know their line is worse than Cincy's, and Wallace had a disappointing season. Cam Newton was probably a notch below Dalton when you take the entire season into account, but he outplayed Andy in the second half of the year.

If you're going by team results, which many do with Dalton, then Andrew Luck took a team with less talent and two rookie TEs to the playoffs with an 11-5 record. I hate saying that a QB took a team anywhere, but that's the adopted lexicon.

My thing with Dalton is this- he simply has to improve his vertical passing, and by a substantial margin. Some here bring up his happy feet, which was evident late in the season. I'm not as hard on him for that, because frankly that's the norm with most QBs. He needs to work on it to be sure, but he's no worse than a majority of QBs in that regard. Some have criticized his inability to extend a play. I actually think he's above average in that area. I think he can improve in all those areas, which is why I bring it up to begin with. If Gradkowski was out there missing guys downfield all day, I'd just chalk it up to a lack of talent. But I am convinced that if we're here a year from now with the same complaints about Dalton's deep ball, it's just not going to happen.

I took Wilson and RGIII off the table because I don't see them, or Kaepernick, being able to sustain a full season with that style of play. Wilson has the best chance. He seems to scramble to throw, and extend the play that way.

So in a discussion that started with you comparing Dalton's shortcomings to Gresham's, we finally have some QBs that you would argue have less talent surrounding them and the same experience. You come up with Romo and the rapist.

First, Romo: He has played in the NFL for seven years as a starter and has one playoff win and three total appearances. He has Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten and DeMarco Murray. They failed to make the playoffs the last two seasons when the Bengals made it with Dalton. Next.

The rapist: You call Dalton's success due to the defense, and use the rapist as an example of success with the same or lesser talent? Hilarious. The #1 defense and it isn't even close. Wallace, Brown, Miller, Dwyer, and Mendenhall. Yes, he won two super bowls...one with a stellar QB rating of 21. The second he won because of a defensive touchdown. Dalton has done way more with less and just beat him head to head with everything on the line for both teams...in pissburg.

Game, Set, Match....

[ElkValleyBengal]

Originally Posted by SHRacerX

Game, Set, Match....

If Dalton doesn't improve his deep ball, it is indeed.

[Shady]

Comparisons are interesting, but they don't mean a damn thing. All the arguing over this stuff is just silly. Bottom line is this: Andy's played damn well overall in the two years he's been here. Yes, he's 0-2 in the playoffs, but his future is still unwritten. None of us knows what his legacy will be. Do you want him to be successful or not?

Don't forget. Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by ElkValleyBengal

If Dalton doesn't improve his deep ball, it is indeed.

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