AFC playoff teams....Record against teams with winning records

[McC]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

You don't win 11 games in a row if you're not a good team. Simple as that.
They have a dominant pass rush(2nd in the NFL) and one of the best QBs in NFL history playing his best football. On top of that, we have to go to mile high without our best defender(Geno has sickle cell trait).

If we make it past the Texans, I'm 99% sure we will be beaten by the Broncos. They're just a better team, ESPECIALLY at home.

This is just one of those you never know kinda years for the Bengals. That stuff matters.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

On top of that, we have to go to mile high without our best defender(Geno has sickle cell trait).

Not true. Geno played his regular snaps in Denver last year.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Not true. Geno played his regular snaps in Denver last year.

Did he really? http://www.cdc.gov/features/SickleGenoAtkins/

"I knew from my research that it would not be good for me to play in high altitude, so I prayed I wouldn't get drafted by Denver, which is at a high altitude. I ended up in Cincinnati and have played at a very high level without any adverse affects of the sickle cell trait. During the 2011 season we did travel to Denver to play the Broncos and that was the first time I can truly say I felt the effects of the trait. I could not breathe after a 10-play series and had to be given oxygen on the sideline.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

Did he really? http://www.cdc.gov/features/SickleGenoAtkins/

You think he needed oxygen from sitting on the bench after a ten play drive?

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

You think he needed oxygen from sitting on the bench after a ten play drive?

the fact that he needed oxygen and ended the game with only 1 sack and 2 tackles looks like he couldnt play the rest of the game after something like that, now if you could log his minutes and playing time then thats another story but with his condition it doesnt sound like he played much or at all after that?

[THE PISTONS]

I'm conflicted on our chances. On one hand our defense has dominated against mainly some bad offenses...but has been neutralized against teams like the Broncos. Our offense has been bad lately.

Our key to winning will be to not turn the ball over.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I'm conflicted on our chances. On one hand our defense has dominated against mainly some bad offenses...but has been neutralized against teams like the Broncos. Our offense has been bad lately.

Our key to winning will be to not turn the ball over.

If our Offense gets back we can beat anyone.

Problem is Cook is the Center and we have sukked since he came back.

We are going to have to rely on the Defense to win us games if our Offense continues down this path.

I like our chances and at the same time am concerned for the reasons mentioned.

[fumetti]

I wrote the below in response to Daugherty's column (which was considered by some as a slam on the Bengals). Doc commented that Cincy's record was aided by playing weak teams, so I took a look at the numbers in the AFC. It addresses the OP here, except I went in the opposite direction, focusing on non-winning team ("dubs") instead... (I've left out my comments that don't address the OP here, and I corrected a stat about Cincy)


Yes, Doc, Cincy beat some dubs (which I'll define as having losing records). But EVERYBODY gets into the playoffs by beating dubs. Cincy played 8 games--half the season--against non-dubs: Pitt, Pitt, Balt, Balt, Wash, NYG, Den, Dallas. Cincy went 4-4 in those games, including 2-2 against playoff teams.

New England got half their wins against dubs from the AFC East (NYJ, Buff, Mia) plus juggernauts from Tennessee, Jacksonville, and St. Louis. So NE only played 7 non-dub teams, going 4-3 against them, and went 3-3 overall against playoff teams.

Denver got almost half their wins against dubs from the AFC West alone. 10-0 against dubs overall. 2-3 against playoff teams (lost to all but Cincy and Balt).

Balt had a tougher go by playing only 6 dubs, going 5-1 against them. Balt only went 2-4 against playoff teams, beating none since NE on Sept 23.

Texans went 8-0 against dubs. 4-4 against non-dubs. 3-4 against playoff teams.

Indy went 8-2 against dubs. 3-2 against playoff teams.

....so I don't think Cincy has anything to be ashamed of. They didn't have as hard a schedule as it looked, but that's true for most everybody. Cincy's numbers look pretty good compared to others.

The Bengals earned their spot. They deserved it. They BELONG.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

If our Offense gets back we can beat anyone.

Problem is Cook is the Center and we have sukked since he came back.

We are going to have to rely on the Defense to win us games if our Offense continues down this path.

I like our chances and at the same time am concerned for the reasons mentioned.

I really think the Sanu injury was huge. I think it actually contributes to the line issues some.

Does anyone think that maybe Cook was more of an issue last year than Livings? I posted in the off season that once we had good Guards that Cook would be a glaring weakness. People disagreed in general.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by fumetti

I wrote the below in response to Daugherty's column (which was considered by some as a slam on the Bengals). Doc commented that Cincy's record was aided by playing weak teams, so I took a look at the numbers in the AFC. It addresses the OP here, except I went in the opposite direction, focusing on non-winning team ("dubs") instead... (I've left out my comments that don't address the OP here, and I corrected a stat about Cincy)


Yes, Doc, Cincy beat some dubs (which I'll define as having losing records). But EVERYBODY gets into the playoffs by beating dubs. Cincy played 8 games--half the season--against non-dubs: Pitt, Pitt, Balt, Balt, Wash, NYG, Den, Dallas. Cincy went 4-4 in those games, including 2-2 against playoff teams.

New England got half their wins against dubs from the AFC East (NYJ, Buff, Mia) plus juggernauts from Tennessee, Jacksonville, and St. Louis. So NE only played 7 non-dub teams, going 4-3 against them, and went 3-3 overall against playoff teams.

Denver got almost half their wins against dubs from the AFC West alone. 10-0 against dubs overall. 2-3 against playoff teams (lost to all but Cincy and Balt).

Balt had a tougher go by playing only 6 dubs, going 5-1 against them. Balt only went 2-4 against playoff teams, beating none since NE on Sept 23.

Texans went 8-0 against dubs. 4-4 against non-dubs. 3-4 against playoff teams.

Indy went 8-2 against dubs. 3-2 against playoff teams.

....so I don't think Cincy has anything to be ashamed of. They didn't have as hard a schedule as it looked, but that's true for most everybody. Cincy's numbers look pretty good compared to others.

The Bengals earned their spot. They deserved it. They BELONG.

Interesting. What it boils down to is who played the really bad teams which skews the stats. We played to 2-14 teams and the Raiders. That's 3 really bad teams.

[THE PISTONS]

I fully expect the Colts to beat the Ravens.

Seattle vs Washington is a crazy game. The winner will be hot.

[Omega IV]

From what I've noticed, teams that get hot going into the playoffs are usually the ones that go deep. I thiiiiiink, it was Brady that said the Patriots believe the season really starts Thanksgiving week.

So let's look at the 12 playoff teams since Thanksgiving week (week 12) -

AFC

6-0 Denver
5-1 New England
3-3 Houston
2-4 Baltimore
5-1 Indy
5-1 Cincinnati

NFC

4-2 Atlanta
4-2 San Fran
5-1 Green Bay
6-0 Washington
5-1 Seattle
4-2 Minnesota


So, other than Houston and Baltimore (who I think both lose this weekend), I don't really know how to look at this... especially in the NFC.

Washington/Seattle are two RED HOT teams, both with rookie QBs that have been in MVP talks let alone Rookie of the Year and two fantastic running backs.

Minnesota seems to have the momentum needing the win yesterday to get in... but that was Green Bay's only loss since Thanksgiving. But, like Houston, they let a first week bye get away... how will that affect them?

Man.. regardless.. this is going to be an outstanding finish to an outstanding year.

Let's hope it's Cinci that makes a wild run! At the very least, I think we all expect a win over the Texans... and could you believe what would happen if they were to go to Denver and beat the Broncos.

I honestly think it would be the greatest win the franchise has seen since its last Superbowl appearance.

Who dey.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by Omega IV

From what I've noticed, teams that get hot going into the playoffs are usually the ones that go deep. I thiiiiiink, it was Brady that said the Patriots believe the season really starts Thanksgiving week.

So let's look at the 12 playoff teams since Thanksgiving week (week 12) -

AFC

6-0 Denver
5-1 New England
3-3 Houston
2-4 Baltimore
5-1 Indy
5-1 Cincinnati

NFC

4-2 Atlanta
4-2 San Fran
5-1 Green Bay
6-0 Washington
5-1 Seattle
4-2 Minnesota


So, other than Houston and Baltimore (who I think both lose this weekend), I don't really know how to look at this... especially in the NFC.

Washington/Seattle are two RED HOT teams, both with rookie QBs that have been in MVP talks let alone Rookie of the Year and two fantastic running backs.

Minnesota seems to have the momentum needing the win yesterday to get in... but that was Green Bay's only loss since Thanksgiving. But, like Houston, they let a first week bye get away... how will that affect them?

Man.. regardless.. this is going to be an outstanding finish to an outstanding year.

Let's hope it's Cinci that makes a wild run! At the very least, I think we all expect a win over the Texans... and could you believe what would happen if they were to go to Denver and beat the Broncos.

I honestly think it would be the greatest win the franchise has seen since its last Superbowl appearance.

Who dey.

Had we beat Dallas I'd like our chances better.

[Housh]

Originally Posted by mshiel7

That's pretty interesting. We seem to have garnered the reputation (somewhat fairly I think) in the last couple of seasons of being unable to win the big game up until last weeks win over the Steelers, so it's interesting to see we're the only AFC playoff team with a winning record against winning teams.

Sure, some will pick holes in wins against the Ravens backups, Washington before they got hot and an inconsistent Giants team, but you could probably pick the same type of holes in the wins and losses of each playoff team.

Well we werent 100% gel'ed either when we played WA so i take no stock in that excuse.

[fumetti]

Originally Posted by Housh

Well we werent 100% gel'ed either when we played WA so i take no stock in that excuse.

True. Our running game was not good. Nobody spoke well of the Law Firm until we were rebounding from the 4-game skid. We played a horrible 3rd quarter before holding off RG3 in the 4th.

[McC]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I fully expect the Colts to beat the Ravens.

Seattle vs Washington is a crazy game. The winner will be hot.

Seattle's not the same on the road. Whoever runs the ball better probably wins. If the "Skins can't run the ball, they're screwed. Seattle has better receivers.

[shaolinghost]

I will say, if this team can go to Denver and win, they have a real chance at winning it all. Nobody else(except for maybe Seattle) looks as unbeatable right now as the Broncos.

[McC]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

I will say, if this team can go to Denver and win, they have a real chance at winning it all. Nobody else(except for maybe Seattle) looks as unbeatable right now as the Broncos.

I look at it as--if we get the first win out of the way, the sky is the limit. Seattle's a best at home. Not nearly as good away from the 12th Man. And they will not be at home. But you're right--nobody will be hoping to play them.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by McC

I look at it as--if we get the first win out of the way, the sky is the limit. Seattle's a best at home. Not nearly as good away from the 12th Man. And they will not be at home. But you're right--nobody will be hoping to play them.

unless they play Minnesota in the NFC Championship Game

it's the NFC, it's that wide open