Pff 9...

[Go Cards]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

I thought Whit had an awful game. Several crucial penalties that killed drives.

Big Whit fan over the years. But he is on the decline.

[Aquapod770]

Just curios, but how many snaps did Mays get this week?

[Lygraf]

Originally Posted by aquapod770

just curios, but how many snaps did mays get this week?

13. 21%.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Lygraf

13. 21%.

I believe the majority of these were after Reggie Nelson got knicked up in the 4th quarter.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Ryan Mc

I understand what you're saying about fans being inconsistent about when to embrace or dispute PFF, but I don't think I'm guilty of that. I think there are some legit reasons to take PFF with a pinch of salt, even though I respect what they're doing (see comment below). Fair enough on Burfict, though. As I said, I just noticed one play during the game where he got blamed for poor coverage when it was definitely not his fault, but if there were plenty other plays he was clearly struggling fair enough.



Even pass protection can be tricky. I always use the example of 2009, when our coaches said Whit was great in pass protection and only allowed 1 sack all season, while most analysts - including PFF - charged him with 5. But, in looking at a few of the sacks 'allowed' by Whit I did notice him having words with Mathis after the plays, suggesting that Mathis had messed up at LG and made Whit look bad when Whit tried to compensate for Mathis's errors. The coaches (we hope!) know what protection scheme was called and therefore who's at fault, and it would certainly explain why they said Whit was only responsible for 1 sack that season (and would also explain why our coaches never seemed quite as high on Mathis while he was here as many other people)

This is an example of why I say we have to be careful not to take PFF as carved-in-stone truth. They named Mathis their best Guard at midseason that year, in a season where our coaches became disenchanted with him and actually reduced his playing time later in the year (not saying our coaches are always right, but still!)

To me, PFF provides a somewhat subjective rough sketch of an NFL player. To me, PFF lacks utilizing the "eye ball" test and putting things in context.

For example, both Clint Boling & Kevin Zeitler are ranked in the top 10 of 64 NFL guards. As a rough sketch, I would say that this indicates that Boling & Zeitler are solid to very good performers.

Maualuga is rated by PFF as the worst MIKE in the NFL. As for the particulars, 3-4 teams don't really have a 4-3 MIKE, so I don't know if it can be said that Rey is ranked 32 of 32. WTS, it seems to me that Maualuga has been pretty consistantly poor this season.

Rey has played better the last 3 weeks. Against the Broncos, Maualuga stepped up a bit and was flying around the ball more.

My challenge with PFF is the horrible grading of Maualuga & Burfict in run support against the Broncos. The Broncos averaged 2.6 yards per carry, and the dline had 11 of 40 tackles during the game. It seems to me that both Burfict & Maualuga somehow were penalized by PFF for the dline playing stellar against the run.

Terance Newman was graded well by PFF. This is probably because of the 2 INTs. WTS, Newman fell down at the goal line which enabled the Broncos to throw a somewhat easy TD. And Newman's 7 yard cushion also enabled Decker to get a lot of yards. Plus, Newman's lack of speed forces the Bengals to play softer zones hence there are fewer big plays but much more mid-range pass completions.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

To me, PFF provides a somewhat subjective rough sketch of an NFL player. To me, PFF lacks utilizing the "eye ball" test and putting things in context.

For example, both Clint Boling & Kevin Zeitler are ranked in the top 10 of 64 NFL guards. As a rough sketch, I would say that this indicates that Boling & Zeitler are solid to very good performers.

Maualuga is rated by PFF as the worst MIKE in the NFL. As for the particulars, 3-4 teams don't really have a 4-3 MIKE, so I don't know if it can be said that Rey is ranked 32 of 32. WTS, it seems to me that Maualuga has been pretty consistantly poor this season.

Rey has played better the last 3 weeks. Against the Broncos, Maualuga stepped up a bit and was flying around the ball more.

My challenge with PFF is the horrible grading of Maualuga & Burfict in run support against the Broncos. The Broncos averaged 2.6 yards per carry, and the dline had 11 of 40 tackles during the game. It seems to me that both Burfict & Maualuga somehow were penalized by PFF for the dline playing stellar against the run.

Terance Newman was graded well by PFF. This is probably because of the 2 INTs. WTS, Newman fell down at the goal line which enabled the Broncos to throw a somewhat easy TD. And Newman's 7 yard cushion also enabled Decker to get a lot of yards. Plus, Newman's lack of speed forces the Bengals to play softer zones hence there are fewer big plays but much more mid-range pass completions.

I think that overall it tries to quantify subjective items. There definately is no perfect way to do it.

It's like QBR. Some variables don't count like if a QB throws a bunch of Pick 6's they count the same as a regular Int.

[Aquapod770]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I believe the majority of these were after Reggie Nelson got knicked up in the 4th quarter.

Well that *****...I was hoping it was because the coaches were coming to their senses and realizing that Mays should be playing...but I guess not

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by Aquapod770

Well that *****...I was hoping it was because the coaches were coming to their senses and realizing that Mays should be playing...but I guess not

On a side note, I like how the forum automatically blurs words that aren't swear words as if they were swear words.

[Aquapod770]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

On a side note, I like how the forum automatically blurs words that aren't swear words as if they were swear words.

But it doesn't blur out sucking