Most pressing need this offseason?

[Dalton's_Gang]

Originally Posted by crazymad

what are you gonna upgrade that we dont already have under contract? a speed back for 3rd down center maybe, nothing i want to spend a high pick on, only OT

you cant be serious, we can find Maualugas replacement in FA or via trade. we dont have to waste a draft pick on it. Why dont we trade for Jon Beason? isnt he the backup to keuckly now or am i wrong? (probably am wrong lol). we dont have to draft a LB.

As for upgrade...... #2 WR...oh wait, we cant upgrade what we dont have!!!!!!!

How about a legit center?
Another Lineman so andy isnt getting blown up all the time
a pass catching TE who isnt afraid to get hit
A speed RB.


More needs on Offense than defense.

[Housh]

If Andy develops more pocket presence i think our line will look better. A real C and Andy improving will go a long way trust me.

[crazymad]

[quote=Dalton's_Gang;2783929]you cant be serious, we can find Maualugas replacement in FA or via trade. we dont have to waste a draft pick on it. Why dont we trade for Jon Beason? isnt he the backup to keuckly now or am i wrong? (probably am wrong lol). we dont have to draft a LB.

i dont see it, the bengals dont make big splashes in free agency and amen to that. id like to see beason but why cant he beat out kuechly? thats a question i'd want answered before you throw draft picks at carolina for him and i personally wouldnt offer anything more than a 4th for him


i'm perfectly fine with sanu and jones and hawk next to green next season, the o was clicking when sanu came in and another offseason for the rookie jones has this group looking good, gruden needs to find ways to get the ball in hawks hands whether it be end arounds or screens or shovel pass

between robinson and cook that place will be ok and not a serious need, and idc what anybody says boling did a good job, and with wharton possibly coming back boling has got some practice time at center and is perfectly capable. the only question on the line is RT if smith leaves then fluker at 2a


i cant disagree with this but i personally believe gresham will pull his head out of his *** and put it all together

A speed RB.
if smith stays this is pick 2a giovanni bernard

i'll put money on it that MJ gets the tag if we cant work out a deal with him, bottom line is S or LB are the main needs then RB and tackle and above all else are extensions for atkins and dunlap

[Dalton's_Gang]

Originally Posted by Housh

If Andy develops more pocket presence i think our line will look better. A real C and Andy improving will go a long way trust me.

i agree. If we get a C in the draft, and it pans out, Andy wont have to chuck the ball in less than a second. the better the Oline, the more time Andy will have back there and have more time to make good decisions.

[Dalton's_Gang]

[quote=crazymad;2783972]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

i dont see it, the bengals dont make big splashes in free agency and amen to that. id like to see beason but why cant he beat out kuechly? thats a question i'd want answered before you throw draft picks at carolina for him and i personally wouldnt offer anything more than a 4th for him


i'm perfectly fine with sanu and jones and hawk next to green next season, the o was clicking when sanu came in and another offseason for the rookie jones has this group looking good, gruden needs to find ways to get the ball in hawks hands whether it be end arounds or screens or shovel pass

Times are obviously changing here, i honestly see names wanting to come here after back to back playoff appearances. as for beason, he has had a couple knee injurys the past season or so. doesnt mean he cant produce here after rehab.

I really hope your kidding about the sanu,jones and hawkins comment. if those guys are legit #2s, then why didnt we win the texans game? why werent Dalton's stats better. If those guys were so great , not a single person on this forum or bengaldom would be clamoring for a #2. something with them arent right. They could be good #3s but we need a solid #2 not a revolving door @ #2. if your wanting to question beason, Id be wanting to question or young WRs as to why they think they deserve to be #2.

as for beason again, with his past injuries, i dont think we would have to throw anything big at him. maybe a 4th, 5th, or 6th or maybe some of our players for him.

[crazymad]

[quote=Dalton's_Gang;2783990]

Originally Posted by crazymad

Times are obviously changing here, i honestly see names wanting to come here after back to back playoff appearances. as for beason, he has had a couple knee injurys the past season or so. doesnt mean he cant produce here after rehab.

I really hope your kidding about the sanu,jones and hawkins comment. if those guys are legit #2s, then why didnt we win the texans game? why werent Dalton's stats better. If those guys were so great , not a single person on this forum or bengaldom would be clamoring for a #2. something with them arent right. They could be good #3s but we need a solid #2 not a revolving door @ #2. if your wanting to question beason, Id be wanting to question or young WRs as to why they think they deserve to be #2.

as for beason again, with his past injuries, i dont think we would have to throw anything big at him. maybe a 4th, 5th, or 6th or maybe some of our players for him.

as for beason, he has to be healthy bottom line, we need a lb and teo is a no after this debachle. i kinda like ogletree if he's there

and no im not kidding about the recievers, who gives up on rookies after one season? im not talking about a revolving door sanu is the starter but you got jones outside in 3 reciever sets running deep patterns

[Interceptor]

I like the team as is. What this team needs is a new playbook.

[Dalton's_Gang]

[quote=crazymad;2784006]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

as for beason, he has to be healthy bottom line, we need a lb and teo is a no after this debachle. i kinda like ogletree if he's there

and no im not kidding about the recievers, who gives up on rookies after one season? im not talking about a revolving door sanu is the starter but you got jones outside in 3 reciever sets running deep patterns

who has a 5'7 WR as a #2? Hawkins should battle it out with Sanzenbacher as the slot receiver in the offseason and preseason. I like Hawkins, but there is no way in hell you just hand a rookie a #2 spot just because they made a couple catches (Jones and Sanu).

Sanu broke his foot practicing if im not mistaken. he should have to prove his health before just handing him a #2 receiver spot.

You get a guy who is proven. some one like Miles Austin or a #2 off another team. you dont hand a rookie the #2 spot.

[crazymad]

[quote=Dalton's_Gang;2784017]

Originally Posted by crazymad

who has a 5'7 WR as a #2? Hawkins should battle it out with Sanzenbacher as the slot receiver in the offseason and preseason. I like Hawkins, but there is no way in hell you just hand a rookie a #2 spot just because they made a couple catches (Jones and Sanu).

Sanu broke his foot practicing if im not mistaken. he should have to prove his health before just handing him a #2 receiver spot.

You get a guy who is proven. some one like Miles Austin or a #2 off another team. you dont hand a rookie the #2 spot.

hawk is the 4th reciever sanu is the 2 and jones is the 3. i dont agree at all to go get a 2 from another team and stifle their development, but hawk is a playmaker and when he's in 4 and 5 wr sets they need to find ways to get him in space. and gresham needs to quit dropping the ball

[Fan_in_Kettering]

Originally Posted by Housh

If Andy develops more pocket presence i think our line will look better. A real C and Andy improving will go a long way trust me.

You're backwards. A quarterback can never make an offensive line "look better." Also, to have pocket presence, a quarterback must have a pocket in the first place. I didn't see too many well formed pockets for Andy Dalton especially in the last four games.

[shaolinghost]

[quote=crazymad;2784026]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

hawk is the 4th reciever sanu is the 2 and jones is the 3. i dont agree at all to go get a 2 from another team and stifle their development, but hawk is a playmaker and when he's in 4 and 5 wr sets they need to find ways to get him in space. and gresham needs to quit dropping the ball

This line keeps getting repeated around here and it really doesn't make sense.
Most star college athletes weren't 4-year starters.
A lot of good-great NFL players didn't start as rookies.

Aaron Rodgers' development wasn't stifled sitting behind Favre for 4 seasons.
Palmer wasn't worse for sitting behind Kitna for a season.
Brady didn't have any development issues being Bledsoe's backup.
Big Ben didn't start until an injury forced him out there.

If a veteran is brought in, learns the offense, and performs better than Jones/Sanu(all in a period of a couple months), then they don't deserve to be starting, plain and simple.

[Norm]

I put a #2 WR ahead of LB, because IMO we have a Super Bowl defense and an Arena League offense.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by The Caped Crusader

Rey Maualuga: 4.91 (40) 22 (Bench) 83.0inch (Broad Jump) 6'2 249lbs (Considered to be the hardest hitting player in the draft)


Manti Te'o: 4.8 (40) (rest inconclusive) 6'2 255 lbs (Considered to be the 'best' linebacker in the country)



Similiarities. Game tape is even more revealing to the fact.

Rey had one interception in his college career. I believe Te'o had something like 9? MLBs need to have instincts and speed to cover in today's NFL. Rey is great for something like short yardage and goalline, but his is an absolute liability in space (See Playoff Game, Texans).

Te'o will be judged harshly from his performance in the Championship Game. Reminded me a great deal of how Troy Smith was amazing in the regular season, then put on 15 lbs, and looked slow and out of shape against Florida. I believe he will have interest after spending a few months in one of those "draft training camps". If he somehow does fall to #21, you take him. I believe he could be the next great leader at MLB, like a Lewis or Urlacher.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

Are the LBs Te'o is playing with considered 1st round prospects as well?

Here's a list of the players that played on the front 7 with him at USC in 2009:

Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
Nick Perry:
Recorded 24tackles and 9sacks in the 13 games he played in in 2009.
Was a Freshman All-American that year.
Fili Moala:
2008 2nd team All-American
2008 USC defensive lineman of the year
2008 1st team all Pac-10
Selected in the 2nd round of the 2009 NFL Draft and was considered one of the best prospects at his position.
Everson Griffen:
4 year starter(first true freshman dlinemen to start for USC since 1986)
2008 All Pac-10 Honorable Mention
2009 All Pac-10 Second Team
Selected in the 4th round of the 2010 NFL draft.

On the other end, there aren't any other defensive players from ND even in top 3 round consideration this year, let alone LB or Dline. Also, Rey was never considered a top10 prospect.

I'm not saying I want him here, or that I would move up to take him, but you can't really say Te'o is gonna be a bust just because has a similar playing style.
The main difference here is that Manti made the ND defense look good, while Rey simply looked good on a great defense.

Outstanding analogy.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

You're backwards. A quarterback can never make an offensive line "look better." Also, to have pocket presence, a quarterback must have a pocket in the first place. I didn't see too many well formed pockets for Andy Dalton especially in the last four games.

This. Ask Jay Cutler just how much fun it was (and his season pales to that by Dalton) behind a questionable offensive line. He has weapons, and a great back, but no protection.

[Cardiackat]

COACH!!!!! "New culture"

[Ryan Mc]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

You're backwards. A quarterback can never make an offensive line "look better." ....

I respectfully disagree. I've seen plenty football games in my life when the backup QB gets in the game to relieve a great starting QB and suddenly the D seems to be getting a whole lot more pressure on the QB than they were before. It's not because the D suddenly got their act together, it's because the new QB isn't as good at reading blitzes etc. and calling the right protections, and doesn't have the same pocket awareness and feel that the great QB does. It is absolutely possible for a great QB to make an O-line look better (or, at least, for a lesser QB to make an O-line look bad).

[crazymad]

[quote=shaolinghost;2784187]

Originally Posted by crazymad

This line keeps getting repeated around here and it really doesn't make sense.
Most star college athletes weren't 4-year starters.
A lot of good-great NFL players didn't start as rookies.

Aaron Rodgers' development wasn't stifled sitting behind Favre for 4 seasons.
Palmer wasn't worse for sitting behind Kitna for a season.
Brady didn't have any development issues being Bledsoe's backup.
Big Ben didn't start until an injury forced him out there.

If a veteran is brought in, learns the offense, and performs better than Jones/Sanu(all in a period of a couple months), then they don't deserve to be starting, plain and simple.

i can argue that palmer never should of sat. it put him an entire year behind schedule, as for big ben what'd he sit out 2 maybe 3 games before he came in for lame duck tommy maddox, so neither makes sense for your argument, and all 4 are qb's, we are talking about wr's and sanu flashed when he was in and jones looked good for a rookie, i can not believe so many people wanna give up on 2 rookie recievers after just one season, in which they both flashed and are only gonna get better, THIS IS NOT MADDEN 13. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT