Who helps us most at #21

[WhodeyinPA]

Vaccaro is he's still there at 21, Bernard if he's not. There's no way I want Teo on this team though. He's a complete Rey clone except with half of the IQ.....and that's saying something.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

What in the world are you talking about? There is nothing within my reply that was spirited one way or another. I offered what I saw as an unlikely scenario that could possibly be weighted for a certain outcome. Nothing more to it then that.

Wow ....

It's your reputation. At one point I used to just be annoyed at anything you said, but for whatever reason you don't bother me and I enjoy your posts (except for the Hartline ones lol).

[RIPChrisHenry]

Originally Posted by Go Cards

No on T'eo even though I hear is girlfriend is super hot.

Bernard I like a lot, but feel he will be available in 2nd round.

Vaccaro may fall to us and would be ok with it with pick if so. It certainly is a need.

But would take Ogletree out of 4 listed would be my pick if he actually did fall this far.

Suspect he will not, but if so will be happy, happy, happy.

ogletree is weak at the point of attack. NFL backs are gonna punk him, outside vaccaro id pass on all of em until 2a.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by Carolinabengalfanguy

It's your reputation. At one point I used to just be annoyed at anything you said, but for whatever reason you don't bother me and I enjoy your posts (except for the Hartline ones lol).

Lol, be gentle with him he's sad on the inside. I recommended this book to him.

I really hope it helps.

[Mike M (the other one)]

Originally Posted by RIPChrisHenry

ogletree is weak at the point of attack. NFL backs are gonna punk him, outside vaccaro id pass on all of em until 2a.

And he's raw, he's only spent 2 years playing at LB. I think he's athletically gifted enough to play MLB, but he will need a little time to get developed at the NFL level (this could make him fall a little). The guy can cover well (since he was a former D. He missed 4 games and despite that still racked up 111 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, and broke up five passes while intercepting one. That doesn't seem like a guy that's weak at the point of attack. He should also be able to put on about 15 pounds and still retain his speed.

I'm hoping he's there for us to pick.

Later in the draft we can possibly pick up Sean Porter, Kiko Johnson, Bruce Taylor, Gerald Hodges, Keith Pough, or Devonte Holloman and that would really be a boost to our LB's.

[SHRacerX]

Originally Posted by et2house

I picked other. I want a playmaker/ game changer and a leader at 21, so I would take Elam.

I'm not sure I agree with Elam, but I whole-heartedly agree with your statement about playmakers. This pick needs to be the kind of guy that can change the course of a game.

I'm likely to get killed here for not listing who I believe that payer can be, but my point is that if there is not a gamechanger at DE, WR, G/C, or RB you have to slide back a few picks and still take a guy like Ogletree or T'eo and attain an additional third round pick.

My personal choice is Warmack if there at 21, if not, slide a few and gain a third for another TE like Kelce.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by SHRacerX

I'm not sure I agree with Elam, but I whole-heartedly agree with your statement about playmakers. This pick needs to be the kind of guy that can change the course of a game.

I'm likely to get killed here for not listing who I believe that payer can be, but my point is that if there is not a gamechanger at DE, WR, G/C, or RB you have to slide back a few picks and still take a guy like Ogletree or T'eo and attain an additional third round pick.

My personal choice is Warmack if there at 21, if not, slide a few and gain a third for another TE like Kelce.

I have to agree about Elam. I was a fan of his until I really started watching tape of him. The more you watch the less impressive he becomes.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

I have to agree about Elam. I was a fan of his until I really started watching tape of him. The more you watch the less impressive he becomes.

Have to say I agree somewhat as well, he is not real discipline. IMO if we needed a pure SS he would fit but I have feeling the seem route is going to be his arch nemeies.

He is one of those guys I'm just not all the way sure about, Olgeltree is another.

[Brunz]

I'd trade back if we can still get ogletree or arthur brown. We need an Impact linebacker to start for us this year. I'd like either one of them in the first, then Jamie Collins in the 3rd to play Sam. That in my mind was out weakest part of the team. Lawson and Rey were just god awful.

[momadance02]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Case and point. You were merely trying to start something as usual. I asked if you had a point to the question but apparently you didn't.

Remove that stick from your butt

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by D's Nuts and Bolts

Have to say I agree somewhat as well, he is not real discipline. IMO if we needed a pure SS he would fit but I have feeling the seem route is going to be his arch nemeies.

He is one of those guys I'm just not all the way sure about, Olgeltree is another.

Agreed on Ogletree. I like Arthur Brown way more as a LB prospect than I do Ogletree.