The Pat Sims Myth

[bfine32]

Just saw on PFF that Pat was our 2nd highest rated Dlineman yesterday (nobody beats Geno) and 4th best defender overall.

Maybe not such a myth afterall.

[momadance02]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

They only scored 19 points because they only needed to score 19 points. They drove up and down the field at will. They ran at will. They passed at will. Their QB completed about 75% of his passes and the defense didn't lay a hand on him all day. And the defense couldn't get a stop when they needed it.

I don't care if they only scored 19 points. They only needed 14. They could have scored 35 if they needed it. Only one three and out the entire game. Our defense was on he field a lot for two reasons... Our offense couldn't move the ball, and because the defense couldn't stop the other team from moving he ball.

In what aspect of the game did they play well.

Sorry, but I literally laughed out loud while reading this post.


Yeah, they decided not to score more points.

[Who-Dey Girl]

The entire Texan offensive game plan centered around 58 and everything that they did was to make the ball go in front of him. It was really strange but effective. I hate to say it because I love Zimmer but he had no answer for it.

[jfkbengals]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Again, they were on the field for almost 40 minutes because they couldn't stop Houston's offense from moving the ball. That was because of bad defense.

Again, 60% of our offensive drives was a punt on the 5th play of the drive. The Texans faced third down 17 times and only converted 8 of them. The Bengals faced third down 8 times and never converted. THAT is why the defense had to face 17 freakin' third downs over 38+ minutes on the field!

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by jfkbengals

Again, 60% of our offensive drives was a punt on the 5th play of the drive. The Texans faced third down 17 times and only converted 8 of them. The Bengals faced third down 8 times and never converted. THAT is why the defense had to face 17 freakin' third downs over 38+ minutes on the field!

No. First of all converting only 8 out of 17 third downs is still almost half the time.

Second, it doesn't matter how many times the Bengals offense fails to convert, the Bengals defense could still make the Texans fail just as much. But they didn't.

Third down didn't really matter that much because the defense was failing to stop the Texans on first and second down as well.

It was the same recipe on the stove as before. Four man rush with zone behind it. Passive, passive, passive. And a good team treated it like it should be treated. They feasted on it and drove up and down the field all night.

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Defense was not good. Houston moved the ball at will. We couldn't stop the run, and they played simple pitch and catch in the passing game. Receievers wers running free all day. No pressure on Schaub. He had all day to throw. Not a single sack against an immobile statue at QB. And the defense was not able to get a stop at the end of the game when they needed to.

Everyone knew the game was over and the bengals would not be the ball back because the D was not capable of forcing a three and out.

Yes, the offense was putrid. But the defense wasn't very good either.

Defense gave up 12 net points less than two touchdowns

Your argument is invalid

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

No. First of all converting only 8 out of 17 third downs is still almost half the time.

Second, it doesn't matter how many times the Bengals offense fails to convert, the Bengals defense could still make the Texans fail just as much. But they didn't.

Third down didn't really matter that much because the defense was failing to stop the Texans on first and second down as well.

It was the same recipe on the stove as before. Four man rush with zone behind it. Passive, passive, passive. And a good team treated it like it should be treated. They feasted on it and drove up and down the field all night.

And all Jay had to dial up was 13 points.

13 points, what are we talking about here.

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Maybe you are confused. Houston's defense is the one that played well. Our defense wasn't even close to that level.

They played great and Wade Phillips had us dead to rights with the excetpion of stopping the run and Gresh dropping the ball

[tlotharw]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Again, they were on the field for almost 40 minutes because they couldn't stop Houston's offense from moving the ball. That was because of bad defense.

It appears that you are advocating the reconfiguration of a top 10 defense while being comfortable with an offense that scored 1/3 of the TD's the defense did in the last three games. Am I correct?

I'll take any defense that holds opponents to 19 points a game. This offense is a disaster.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by NC Bengal Mike

And all Jay had to dial up was 13 points.

13 points, what are we talking about here.

No argument here. Offense was worse than the defense. But, the defense had only been giving up 12.5 pts per game over the 2nd half of the season. So if they had help up with that....Bengals win.

[tlotharw]

Originally Posted by NC Bengal Mike

And all Jay had to dial up was 13 points.

13 points, what are we talking about here.

He only dialed up 6. Those are rotary phone numbers.

[joe cool]

Originally Posted by momadance02

Defense wasn't good? Really?

They scored a TD and held them to 19 points all while being on the field the entire game.


I swear, some of you people wouldn't be able to tell your foot from your face.

420 yds given up, No sacks, no QB pressure, Houston was 8/17 on 3rd down, Schaub completes 75% of his passes.

Yea, the D was awesome.

I swear, all of you apologists who have on rose-colored shades have no football IQ. Do you really think that D is good enough to accomplish more than a 1st round playoff loss? Clearly not.