Lets give props to Patrick Sims

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Who else has said Pat Sims does not help this D?

First of all I never stated he does not help but leave it to you to provide dramatic effect. I have stated he is not solely responsible for the rise of this defense as well as not being the sole reason for the decline of the defense last season. So leave the drama queen crap for middle school girls.

Now to the point of others feeling this way then I would suggest reading th thread.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

First of all I never stated he does not help but leave it to you to provide dramatic effect. I have stated he is not solely responsible for the rise of this defense as well as not being the sole reason for the decline of the defense last season. So leave the drama queen crap for middle school girls.

Now to the point of others feeling this way then I would suggest reading th thread.

Just stop it. Throughout this post and others you refuse to give sims any credit and often point to the fact that nobody else wanted him. Now you somehow try to spin it as you are merely saying "he is not solely responsible for the rise of this defense." I don't know of anybody that has suggested he is.

Let me ask you a yes or no question, so we don't have to guess. Do you think Sims makes this defense better?

[r3stangs]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

This is what amazes me on these boards. A guy like Peko plays hard every down and has an impact. Is never injured and is a leader of the defensive unit gets zero respect on these boards but Sims who is oft injured. Plays a handful of downs and is like a cult hero.

Amazing!

You're ridiculous. You whine when people are down on the team. Then when people want to give credit you'll argue that as well.

All that was said was Sims appears to be playing well and contributing, and that's helped the D ALONG WTH OTHER FACTORS. Whats there to argue with this.

[Mexal]

Sims has made a few plays but he's not the sole reason this defense turned around. He's not even part of it. He is one player who gets about 17-22 snaps a week and sometimes plays well and sometimes doesn't. He's like every other player. It just happens that during times when Sims is active, the offense has turned the ball over less and the defense has gotten more turnovers which has lead to more wins. In Sims case, correlation does not imply causation.

That being said, he has made plays these last two weeks and we have to recognize that. Give him credit for those. But the reason this defense is great and the reason it turned around is because of the improved play of the safeties, LBs and Geno/Dunlap having some monster games, not because Pat Sims magically became active and single handedly made every other player on the defense better than they were.

[Strongsville City Schools]

Chris Crocker over Clements equals better defense

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Just stop it. Throughout this post and others you refuse to give sims any credit and often point to the fact that nobody else wanted him. Now you somehow try to spin it as you are merely saying "he is not solely responsible for the rise of this defense." I don't know of anybody that has suggested he is.

Let me ask you a yes or no question, so we don't have to guess. Do you think Sims makes this defense better?

I think he helps by providing a blow for Peko and Geno and inconsistently makes plays. I am not certain that he would be more valuable next season than Thompson or Still. You would have to figure that with them being rookies that he brings an experience factor.

[Brunz]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

I think he helps big time in the run game, but I don't know about unsung MVP. Dude has 13 tackles in 7 games. Does he plug up holes? Most certainly. I think that the ability to stop the run is more around the fact that Maualuga went from being absolutely atrocious, to being mediocre.. and a terrible Clements got replaced at safety by a mediocre-to-sometimes-good Crocker.

At least that's what I figured the big change in the run defense was.

Either way, nice to have Sims back.

Clements was in for one snap that I seem and got made a fool. Dude shouldn't step on the field unless we are down to our last DB. I'd rather see Allen out there, he's bigger, and much more agile. Clements just can turn his hips anymore. Sad but true.

As far as sims goes, he's done some great things for the D. Mauluga has look "better" because of him in run situations. Sims slow down more the one blocker and clogs the running lane before the back can get there. Makes it easy for the backers to make a read on where the back is going to go.

I seen against pit he had 2 tackles for loss which were huge. He is to the running game to what geno is to the passing game. Maybe by quite but he definitely makes a huge difference. As I like to yell. "THERE YOU GO BIG BOY!!!!" I think I get a little to crazy during the game but oh well

[Goose]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

I think he helps by providing a blow for Peko and Geno and inconsistently makes plays. I am not certain that he would be more valuable next season than Thompson or Still. You would have to figure that with them being rookies that he brings an experience factor.

So, is that a no or yes?

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Don't make it personal. What would be funny would be seeing you call people out somewhere other then sitting behind a computer.

I do not agree that Sims is invaluable to this defense. You say I am wrong I say you are wrong. There have been stats thrown out that are not linked directly to Sims as there are other factors, as have been listed, that play as much a role as Sims being jn the game does.

Now if you would like to show me something concrete which does not involve any other factor then Sims then put it out there. As far as wins while he was active or inactive. Sorry there is not evidence for or against it as there are too many other variables. So if you have something concrete let's hear it. Otherwise one opinion against another.

So where are you "calling people out" besides on here OSU? LOL! I was just razzing you dude. Ever try Valium? . All jokes aside, I don't see anyone ordaining Pat Sims as an Outland Trophy winner, or league MVP, or even team MVP. What I do see people saying is that he is an important cog in the machine....and they are right. You're just refusing to admit that fact because you don't want to admit you're wrong here. It's almost physics when you talk about Sims due to pure mass. His size alone takes up an extra blocker many times, which frees up someone in the defensive backfield ....which elevates their performance. He's our biggest DL, is he not? Taking on double teams, and sometimes the lead back too is nothing to sneeze at, and Big Pat does a fine job of that. You couple that with Geno....it's no wonder this defense is playing well.

. It's funny you mentioned "calling people out"...I just posted TWO threads (one here, one on game day) calling MYSELF out for being wrong about our playoff chances....it's called manning up. I supervise 40 employees, and I deal with contractors everyday that try to pin their mistakes on my company so they're not the ones footing the bill for their foibles. You could say I have a keen b.s. detector, and I HAVE TO call people out, often face to face...it's part of my job.

Oh, and BTW ...I'm on my phone...lol.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by Strongsville City Schools

Chris Crocker over Clements equals better defense

This is true too....it's all a bunch of pieces coming together to make a really good whole product. What I say about Pat taking blockers out of the play is big...even bigger is the fact that Crocker is playing well enough to allow Reggie to be aggressive and fly to the ball in run support, which Reggie is better at than pure coverage. I'd say Crocker ans Sims are our two biggest underrated players on d. That's why I gave them both honorable mention on the top five players thread.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by Brunz

Clements was in for one snap that I seem and got made a fool. Dude shouldn't step on the field unless we are down to our last DB. I'd rather see Allen out there, he's bigger, and much more agile. Clements just can turn his hips anymore. Sad but true.

As far as sims goes, he's done some great things for the D. Mauluga has look "better" because of him in run situations. Sims slow down more the one blocker and clogs the running lane before the back can get there. Makes it easy for the backers to make a read on where the back is going to go.

I seen against pit he had 2 tackles for loss which were huge. He is to the running game to what geno is to the passing game. Maybe by quite but he definitely makes a huge difference. As I like to yell. "THERE YOU GO BIG BOY!!!!" I think I get a little to crazy during the game but oh well

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