Dubya Tee Eff, Mr. Lewis?

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Originally Posted by D's Nuts and Bolts

Personaly when I played lockerroom speechs never did much for me. But when the coach got in your face in a game for screwing up that got my attention. Marvin should have been in Marvin Jones, The Olines, and Daltons grill. Not yelling but questioning and "refocusing".

Best football quote. After the coach gave his pre game speech, he looked at Johnny U and asked, "John you got anything?" His response:

"Talk is cheap. Let's go play." Johnny Unitas.

Look at the game and remember when Tate caught the punt at the goal line and brought it out? Marvin was initially irate as any normal human with a pulse would have been. A few seconds later and they show a placid, calm Marvin Lewis approaching Tate on the sidelines. He should have been flaming! How else would a player not take notice unless you chew him out?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

Look at the game and remember when Tate caught the punt at the goal line and brought it out? Marvin was initially irate as any normal human with a pulse would have been. A few seconds later and they show a placid, calm Marvin Lewis approaching Tate on the sidelines. He should have been flaming! How else would a player not take notice unless you chew him out?

No he should not have been flaming as you out it. Correction of that type is juvenile and immature. He talked to Tate I am very sure in a manner as to let him know the error and problem in the decision making. There is no reason for a tirade in the players face on television.

Guess you did not mind the Ryan tirade during the Dallas game. He looked like an immature child not getting his way.

[Aquapod770]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

No he should not have been flaming as you out it. Correction of that type is juvenile and immature. He talked to Tate I am very sure in a manner as to let him know the error and problem in the decision making. There is no reason for a tirade in the players face on television.

Guess you did not mind the Ryan tirade during the Dallas game. He looked like an immature child not getting his way.

So why does Tate continue to make the same mistakes? I'm just saying what ever they are doing with the guy is not working.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

What a dumb comment. Everyone has a job - including Marvin Lewis - whose JOB is to motivate, find the best players, and train them. Forget speeches, we are talking motivation! No wonder we come out so flat when our head coach is so emotionless.

You are so delusional if you think the only compensation to a job is money. The employee will then go to a different employer where he gets treated better, has a better boss, and better compensation.

Get a grip!

Your second paragraph is an exact description of the NFL so who is delusional?

It is called self motivation which is lacking a great deal with our society as a whole. It is an excuse for not doing your job. Which is why so many speakers make a huge amount of money. The poor fragile psyche of s society needing others to motivate them.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

Look at the game and remember when Tate caught the punt at the goal line and brought it out? Marvin was initially irate as any normal human with a pulse would have been. A few seconds later and they show a placid, calm Marvin Lewis approaching Tate on the sidelines. He should have been flaming! How else would a player not take notice unless you chew him out?

He would take notice by not being put back in the damn game.

"Hey Bradon, since you can't figure out how to field a kick correctly we will find someone else to do it." said Marvin.

TALK IS CHEAP.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Your second paragraph is an exact description of the NFL so who is delusional?

It is called self motivation which is lacking a great deal with our society as a whole. It is an excuse for not doing your job. Which is why so many speakers make a huge amount of money. The poor fragile psyche of s society needing others to motivate them.

People also feed off eachother's energy. When the mood is flat it takes somebody to rally the troops. Why do you think Ray Lewis and the like are still so valuable? Why are vocal leaders not cast aside when their performance drops off?

People like to be led. People like to be motivated. People like reassurance. When a coach does these things it creates a family environment, and that's exactly what you want when you're part of a team. You'll do anything for you're brothers. I can't really say the same about a co-worker...

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

People also feed off eachother's energy. When the mood is flat it takes somebody to rally the troops. Why do you think Ray Lewis and the like are still so valuable? Why are vocal leaders not cast aside when their performance drops off?

People like to be led. People like to be motivated. People like reassurance. When a coach does these things it creates a family environment, and that's exactly what you want when you're part of a team. You'll do anything for you're brothers. I can't really say the same about a co-worker...

I like Ray, but I'm guessing that a lot of guys wish that he would tone it down.
Cause that stuff gets old. The Ravens are good because they have a great front office, HOF players on D, and when someone is not getting the job done you replace them.

So who motivates the coach? Should Mike Brown come down and yell at him.

But, you are right some people respond better then others to motivation.

[Funkysylvanelf]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Your second paragraph is an exact description of the NFL so who is delusional?

It is called self motivation which is lacking a great deal with our society as a whole. It is an excuse for not doing your job. Which is why so many speakers make a huge amount of money. The poor fragile psyche of s society needing others to motivate them.

1000 times this!

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

People also feed off eachother's energy. When the mood is flat it takes somebody to rally the troops. Why do you think Ray Lewis and the like are still so valuable? Why are vocal leaders not cast aside when their performance drops off?

People like to be led. People like to be motivated. People like reassurance. When a coach does these things it creates a family environment, and that's exactly what you want when you're part of a team. You'll do anything for you're brothers. I can't really say the same about a co-worker...

I agree energy is a fueling effect perfect example is the pick by Hall and or the recovery return by Gilberry. However, at this level the rah-rah motivational speech thing could be considered whoey!

[BaltimoreBengal]

Great coaches are consistent in their approach to the game. The Ra-Ra guys of the world like Rex Ryan come and go. In order to repair the losing culture that the Bengals have had since the early 90s several things need to happen. First, the club must have sustained success. One might say that the Bengals were on their way in 05, but then Carson got injured and was never the same. To win in the NFL you need consistent, great play from your QB to have success. As the QB goes so goes the team. We will probably finish 9-7 (a second straight winning season) but we could finish 10-6 (an improvement over last year). With one of the youngest team in the NFL, there is a foundation for us to build upon, making sustained success possible. Second, players know what is expected of them. They are guided by coaches, but must ultimately execute. In all of our losses, I believe our young guys failed to execute in key spots which cost us 6 games so far. With another year of experience the young guys out there will make fewer mistakes and more plays, this is almost a certainty. These young men don't need older men screaming at them or lighting fires under them. From what I can tell, we don't have a "Haynesworth" on the team. Guys that need to be inspired to play don't belong here. Our 53 always seem to want to put their best product out their and seem upset when they come up short (remember the guys across from them want to win too). Lastly, when addressing the media, I don't want my coach to be foaming at the mouth following a loss or a "disappointing win". The HC is the leader of the team, they aren't fans. The best ones, when disappointed, remain calm, diagnosis the problem, coach the players, and move on. There are times when coaches should come down on players: practice, meetings, and in film, post game press conferences and filmed locker room speeches are not.

I'm sure our guys already feel immense pressure going into the final two weeks of the season knowing they let a few games get away from them this year... The players don't need an urgent Head Coach, they need one who comes across calm and confident.

This is the problem with so many fans, they lack perspective.

[BengalTrucker]

Originally Posted by Aquapod770

So why does Tate continue to make the same mistakes? I'm just saying what ever they are doing with the guy is not working.

He makes the same mistakes over and over again.

He needs benched.

That will show Tate screwing up is not acceptable.

[BengalsIronMan]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

Light the fire in practice and immediately before the next game, not after you just survived this one.

[crazyjdawg]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

I was a fan of this one. It showed a passion he needs to have constantly.

"You can't field punts on the 1 yard line"

Apparently, Brandon Tate never watched this video.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreBengal

Great coaches are consistent in their approach to the game. The Ra-Ra guys of the world like Rex Ryan come and go. In order to repair the losing culture that the Bengals have had since the early 90s several things need to happen. First, the club must have sustained success. One might say that the Bengals were on their way in 05, but then Carson got injured and was never the same. To win in the NFL you need consistent, great play from your QB to have success. As the QB goes so goes the team. We will probably finish 9-7 (a second straight winning season) but we could finish 10-6 (an improvement over last year). With one of the youngest team in the NFL, there is a foundation for us to build upon, making sustained success possible. Second, players know what is expected of them. They are guided by coaches, but must ultimately execute. In all of our losses, I believe our young guys failed to execute in key spots which cost us 6 games so far. With another year of experience the young guys out there will make fewer mistakes and more plays, this is almost a certainty. These young men don't need older men screaming at them or lighting fires under them. From what I can tell, we don't have a "Haynesworth" on the team. Guys that need to be inspired to play don't belong here. Our 53 always seem to want to put their best product out their and seem upset when they come up short (remember the guys across from them want to win too). Lastly, when addressing the media, I don't want my coach to be foaming at the mouth following a loss or a "disappointing win". The HC is the leader of the team, they aren't fans. The best ones, when disappointed, remain calm, diagnosis the problem, coach the players, and move on. There are times when coaches should come down on players: practice, meetings, and in film, post game press conferences and filmed locker room speeches are not.

I'm sure our guys already feel immense pressure going into the final two weeks of the season knowing they let a few games get away from them this year... The players don't need an urgent Head Coach, they need one who comes across calm and confident.

This is the problem with so many fans, they lack perspective.

There are probably some good points in here but the wall of letters is a migraine waiting to happen.

[SaintPatrickJR]

Originally Posted by fortyyearfan

Andy Dalton is scary and he flat out scares me. i do not see him getting better.i like him over palmer, but i just do not see him leading this team past the stoolers. i feel like he wants to ,but its not in his DNA.and the nfl network post-game show is just a way to make a mockery of him. they are not saying it to hlim directly, but they are showing it in their body-language that he is not answer. the guy had a terrible game and he would have cost us the game had it not been for the defense. i do not see him being that much better next week.the guy will probably play a little better, but that is the worse i have seen him. he was for sure really really bad.it almost looked like he didn't have a clue what to do. alot of wide open receivers that he did not even see.i do not believe our team will beat the stoolers. its just too hard of a task and they will not lose a game to us this late with everything on the line. the dallas game will come back to be our downfall. this team just lays down when it counts, what a shame.another what-if season is the way i see it.we lose to the stoolers big time and come home and beat the ravens to end our season.this is exactly what is going to happen.i hate to say it, but we could easily be 12 and 4 as this team is good enough to do that.

How exactly were they mocking him with their body language?

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

I agree energy is a fueling effect perfect example is the pick by Hall and or the recovery return by Gilberry. However, at this level the rah-rah motivational speech thing could be considered whoey!

Are you kidding? Humans are an emotional species. Even if you only believe a tenth of things like "Moms have been known to get superhuman strength when their children are in danger" - look at how that emotion is being channeled. we aren't all boring drones that sit in our cubicles and "do our jobs". Some of us want to be happy and motivated. Some of us want o work for an organization that is a leader and is setting the standard rather one that is behind the times.

People need outside assistance from time to time. Sometimes we lose focus of our goals. Sometimes we lose confidence. And sometimes we need others to help us out. For advice or for encouragement or just be told that things will work out. Something to believe. Confidence is MUCH more important than actual ability. You could be at the top of your physical or mental game but some anxiety will completely throw you off and could make you perform at a fraction of your level.

The funny thing is this is Lewis' actual job! To get this team motivated, focused, prepared and believing in themselves. And if you believe it is NOT Lewis' job - I hope this entire board lambastes you for your ignorance.

The emotion displayed by Lewis (or lack of) is EXACTLY why we come out flat in season openers, prime time games, after bye weeks, and even after a timeout. You need that zest for life and the game. People WANT something to believe in - just look at how religion plays on this aspect of the human condition. It gives them a purpose. I hope, really utterly hope, that the Bengals FO isn't running the franchise with your mindset.

[BengalsIronMan]

Originally Posted by fortyyearfan

Andy Dalton is scary and he flat out scares me. i do not see him getting better.i like him over palmer, but i just do not see him leading this team past the stoolers. i feel like he wants to ,but its not in his DNA.and the nfl network post-game show is just a way to make a mockery of him. they are not saying it to hlim directly, but they are showing it in their body-language that he is not answer. the guy had a terrible game and he would have cost us the game had it not been for the defense. i do not see him being that much better next week.the guy will probably play a little better, but that is the worse i have seen him. he was for sure really really bad.it almost looked like he didn't have a clue what to do. alot of wide open receivers that he did not even see.i do not believe our team will beat the stoolers. its just too hard of a task and they will not lose a game to us this late with everything on the line. the dallas game will come back to be our downfall. this team just lays down when it counts, what a shame.another what-if season is the way i see it.we lose to the stoolers big time and come home and beat the ravens to end our season.this is exactly what is going to happen.i hate to say it, but we could easily be 12 and 4 as this team is good enough to do that.

Stop. Just stop. I stopped reading after he doesn't have it in his DNA. All he has ever done is Win. Who cares what REPORTERS say! That's why their sorry ***** aren't coaches. Dalton is the real deal

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreBengal

Great coaches are consistent in their approach to the game. The Ra-Ra guys of the world like Rex Ryan come and go. In order to repair the losing culture that the Bengals have had since the early 90s several things need to happen. First, the club must have sustained success. One might say that the Bengals were on their way in 05, but then Carson got injured and was never the same. To win in the NFL you need consistent, great play from your QB to have success. As the QB goes so goes the team. We will probably finish 9-7 (a second straight winning season) but we could finish 10-6 (an improvement over last year). With one of the youngest team in the NFL, there is a foundation for us to build upon, making sustained success possible. Second, players know what is expected of them. They are guided by coaches, but must ultimately execute. In all of our losses, I believe our young guys failed to execute in key spots which cost us 6 games so far. With another year of experience the young guys out there will make fewer mistakes and more plays, this is almost a certainty. These young men don't need older men screaming at them or lighting fires under them. From what I can tell, we don't have a "Haynesworth" on the team. Guys that need to be inspired to play don't belong here. Our 53 always seem to want to put their best product out their and seem upset when they come up short (remember the guys across from them want to win too). Lastly, when addressing the media, I don't want my coach to be foaming at the mouth following a loss or a "disappointing win". The HC is the leader of the team, they aren't fans. The best ones, when disappointed, remain calm, diagnosis the problem, coach the players, and move on. There are times when coaches should come down on players: practice, meetings, and in film, post game press conferences and filmed locker room speeches are not.

I'm sure our guys already feel immense pressure going into the final two weeks of the season knowing they let a few games get away from them this year... The players don't need an urgent Head Coach, they need one who comes across calm and confident.

This is the problem with so many fans, they lack perspective.

You had an emotional guy in Cowher too. He didn't just "come and go". There have been a lot of fiery head coaches that won. No one is saying we need to be berserk animalistic lunatics out there, but I don't think anyone is ever going to confuse the bengals as being "fired up". We are at the opposite end of the spectrum from being motivated.

I hope Lewis DOES show some urgency - anyone dumb enough to look at these next few weeks with a lackadaisical attitude needs to be kicked off.

I don't want my coach to be foaming at the mouth but I want him to hold players accountable. Gruden does a perfect job of calling out players. All this hush, hush behind the scenes stuff only promotes this lack of accountability. It's the truth - if you messed up, fess up to it, put your ego aside, correct it and move on. You can try telling them privately a couple of times but after that they lose their right and should be called out publicly. Let their be consequences to people's actions (or lack of).

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

You had an emotional guy in Cowher too. He didn't just "come and go". There have been a lot of fiery head coaches that won. No one is saying we need to be berserk animalistic lunatics out there, but I don't think anyone is ever going to confuse the bengals as being "fired up". We are at the opposite end of the spectrum from being motivated.

I hope Lewis DOES show some urgency - anyone dumb enough to look at these next few weeks with a lackadaisical attitude needs to be kicked off.

I don't want my coach to be foaming at the mouth but I want him to hold players accountable. Gruden does a perfect job of calling out players. All this hush, hush behind the scenes stuff only promotes this lack of accountability. It's the truth - if you messed up, fess up to it, put your ego aside, correct it and move on. You can try telling them privately a couple of times but after that they lose their right and should be called out publicly. Let their be consequences to people's actions (or lack of).

It comes down to accountability, period. This goes both ways players and coaches.

[Bengal4ever68]

Originally Posted by Aristotle

Anyone else see Marvin's post-game locker room speech on NFL.com? http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati...er-room-speech .. and wondering why he didn't use the speech to light a fire under their *** and talk about how if they play like they just did against Pittsburgh and Baltimore, we aren't going to make the playoffs? I know the defense played well and that we won the game suredly, but Lewis as a head coach has to feel the urgency of his team not playing up to par, and his locker-room speeches need to reflect that.

I was saying the same thing. He gives some of the worst speeches known to man. ..."Great job today, you gotta feel good about this"...WTF???!!..I want Marvin GONE!..We were losing the game with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Thank god we got breaks on D or else we would have lost that game. F you Marvin you Pu***

[Bengal4ever68]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

"You can't field punts on the 1 yard line"

Apparently, Brandon Tate never watched this video.

The annoucers "Tate must not of known where he was on the field"..I laughed and said, no, that's just Tate being Tate..STUPID....That guy had better be released after the season, hes killing the team. I'd rather have Peko back there returning kicks if Tates all we got.

[ExtraNirvana]

Fire them up for a game that was at that time 10 days away? Sorry but none of you guys have a clue what it takes to be a coach in the NFL. The players seem to respect him and that's good enough for me.

Backseat head coaching lol... Get real.

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by TheBengals

Our OLine needs to step it up. When they do, we usually win.

Cook needs to step down