pat sims

[BengalsRocker]

"It's great having big Pat back," Peko said. "He's a force out there," and Atkins observed, "He's a run-stopper, but he can rush the passer out there. We had a good rotation going with him, me, and Domata."

From the front page story,

Yeah... he did little or nothing.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by bfine32

The Giants are a much better rushing team than Denver or Miami


He is just not the non-factor people are making him out to be.

Haven't seen anybody dub him "savior" yet.

There may be truth to that as well, however Denver's run game is MILES better than Giants, MILES.

[jfkbengals]

Here are the numbers for Pat's career (regular season):

Sims inactive:
Opponents Rushing Yards Per Game- 135.9
Opponents Yards Per Carry- 4.49

Sims active:
Opponents Rushing Yards Per Game- 101.1
Opponents Yards Per Carry- 3.91


The dude is an integral part of our rush defense...

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

There may be truth to that as well, however Denver's run game is MILES better than Giants, MILES.

NYG rushes for 111.4 yards per game at an average of 4.4 YPC

Denver rushes for 102.2 yards per game at an average of 3.8 YPC

What makes Denver "MILES" better?

[BengalsRocker]

Defense does what Zimmer expected all along


CINCINNATI —

Carlos Dunlap had his best game of the season. So did Rey Maualuga. Pat Sims made an immediate impact in his first action in nearly a year. And rookie Dre Kirkpatrick represented himself well with his first snaps from scrimmage.
It all added up to the kind of performance Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer had hoped to see a lot more of this season.
“I wish we would have done that in some of these other games,” Zimmer said Monday, the day after the Bengals upset the New York Giants 31-13 at Paul Brown Stadium with four sacks and a season-high four turnovers.
“It’s what I expected all year long,” Zimmer added. “I expected us to be like this.”
But they haven’t been, not even when they were winning in September.
During the three consecutive victories against Cleveland, Washington and Jacksonville, the Bengals allowed an average of 344 yards and 22.7 points per game. And during the four-game losing streak that followed, they surrendered 349 ypg and 26.5 ppg.
But against the Giants, the defensive line kept constant pressure on Eli Manning, while the linebackers and secondary shadowed the receivers across the field.
“The D line just kept being persistent and trying to get after (Manning),” safety Chris Crocker said. “Eli had to hold the ball a couple of times, and they were there. So it was really a collective effort. It went hand in hand, and we got a win out of it.”
Cornerback Leon Hall shut down Victor Cruz, holding one of the league’s most explosive receivers to three catches for 26 yards.
Maualuga recorded a season-high 11 solo tackles and led the defense with 13 stops.
Adam Jones had three passes defensed, a forced fumble and, with five tackles, was part of a secondary that limited New York receivers to 1 yard or less on 18 of their 29 receptions.
And Dunlap, who was on the field for a season-high 51 snaps, had 1.5 sacks and fumble recovery to go along with five tackles.
“He played a lot better,” Zimmer said of Dunlap. “We changed a little bit of what he was doing. He had success in practice with it and it carried over into the game.”
Wallace Gilberry (one), Robert Geathers (one) and Domata Peko (one half) also recorded sacks as the Bengals finished with eight quarterback hits against a Giants offensive line that entered the game having allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL with nine.
“We rushed this team good,” Zimmer said. “We probably rushed them better than I thought we would. We were giving them some different looks up front, trying to get the quarterback to hold the ball a little bit once in a while.”
The Bengals also intercepted Manning twice and Gilberry stripped him and recovered the ball on his sack as the defense allowed its fewest points in more than year, since a 34-12 win at Seattle on Oct. 30, 2011.
“Everything was about keeping the faith in ourselves,” Maualuga said. “From the coaches to the players and everyone playing at the best of their abilities, I think we executed and we flustered Manning in certain situations. We got the ball out, and we got some sacks. It all came down to us having some fun.”
Now it comes down to sustaining it.
“It’s only one game,” Zimmer said. “We played decent. The intensity level has picked up the last couple of weeks, and the urgency. The cohesiveness has picked up the last two weeks. We just have to keep it going. If we want to do anything, we have to.”

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by bfine32

NYG rushes for 111.4 yards per game at an average of 4.4 YPC

Denver rushes for 102.2 yards per game at an average of 3.8 YPC

What makes Denver "MILES" better?

Seeing the averages, wow and a half.

And sorry, I was looking at the wrong graphics :$

I'll shut up on that argument...

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by bfine32

The Giants are a much better rushing team than Denver or Miami


He is just not the non-factor people are making him out to be.

Haven't seen anybody dub him "savior" yet.

This......

[JohnHenry]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Nope, he made our Dline rotation better.

This is exactly right and I agree with you throughout the thread.

Pat Sims makes the DLine rotation better because he adds value.

He add value because he’s and effective NT and UT. With one roster spot he provides the skill set of two players.
With one roster spot he replaces Still and Thompson.
Therefore, Zimmer can confidently rotate him with Peko or Atkins and not lose scheme continuity.
In short, “The Dancing Bear” is apropos.

His interception was a good example of this - he showed the strength of a NT and the athleticism of an UT.
On that play he occupied the center and guard which facilitated the one-on one match-ups with the other DLinemen.
Geno then did what Geno does and beat the other guard bringing pressure up the middle, which caused Manning to roll to his left and the eventual errant pass.
While this was happening, Sims continued to engage the double team.
And when it dissolved, he had the presents of mind to pursue the play and make the interception.

Therefore, Sims had to have the skill set to bring about the double team - which facilitated the pressure - and the ball skills and athleticism to make the interception.

This was a HUGE play, and at this point says a lot about Zimmer’s’ opinion of Sims.
I mean in a must-win game against the defending Super-Bowl champions, Zimmer chooses Sims over Thompson or Still.
This is especially significant considering he was just coming back from injury.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Originally Posted by bfine32

NYG rushes for 111.4 yards per game at an average of 4.4 YPC

Denver rushes for 102.2 yards per game at an average of 3.8 YPC

What makes Denver "MILES" better?

The fact that Truck won't admit he is wrong makes them MILES better.

I really don't believe anything what that guy says anymore. There is a lot of deception in the way he presents information. Its very selective and he will ignore or not present information that makes him look bad. Maualuga's #s aren't usually included unless he does well.

Either way - the results are what matters. And having Sims back makes us better - no matter what Truck things.

[JohnHenry]

Originally Posted by eoxyod

Correlation, not causation. If a player like Thompson was there, he's be able to do similar against the run and give Peko more snaps off

This is true, but who then backs-up Atkins?

In other words, if they suit-up Thompson then they have no suitable 3-technique to back-up Atkins.
Similarly, if they suit-up Still then they have no suitable NT to back-up Peko.

So, unless of course they want to carry more than 3 interior DLinemen on the game-day roster – which of course they don’t – Zimmer’s scheme is much better served by playing Sims.

He’s an effective back-up for both which allows Zimmer to maintain scheme continuity.

[jj22]

Good to see Sims getting some love. He's got a killer spin move for a big man. Keep an eye on it.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger

The fact that Truck won't admit he is wrong makes them MILES better.

I really don't believe anything what that guy says anymore. There is a lot of deception in the way he presents information. Its very selective and he will ignore or not present information that makes him look bad. Maualuga's #s aren't usually included unless he does well.

Either way - the results are what matters. And having Sims back makes us better - no matter what Truck things.

Seeing the averages, wow and a half.

And sorry, I was looking at the wrong graphics :$

I'll shut up on that argument...

But no, I didn't admit I was wrong?

Shut up.

[coachmcneil71]

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

This is exactly right and I agree with you throughout the thread.

Pat Sims makes the DLine rotation better because he adds value.

He add value because he’s and effective NT and UT. With one roster spot he provides the skill set of two players.
With one roster spot he replaces Still and Thompson.
Therefore, Zimmer can confidently rotate him with Peko or Atkins and not lose scheme continuity.
In short, “The Dancing Bear” is apropos.

His interception was a good example of this - he showed the strength of a NT and the athleticism of an UT.
On that play he occupied the center and guard which facilitated the one-on one match-ups with the other DLinemen.
Geno then did what Geno does and beat the other guard bringing pressure up the middle, which caused Manning to roll to his left and the eventual errant pass.
While this was happening, Sims continued to engage the double team.
And when it dissolved, he had the presents of mind to pursue the play and make the interception.

Therefore, Sims had to have the skill set to bring about the double team - which facilitated the pressure - and the ball skills and athleticism to make the interception.

This was a HUGE play, and at this point says a lot about Zimmer’s’ opinion of Sims.
I mean in a must-win game against the defending Super-Bowl champions, Zimmer chooses Sims over Thompson or Still.
This is especially significant considering he was just coming back from injury.

Agree but would like to add that the pass was also tipped by MJ on that play.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

This is true, but who then backs-up Atkins?

In other words, if they suit-up Thompson then they have no suitable 3-technique to back-up Atkins.
Similarly, if they suit-up Still then they have no suitable NT to back-up Peko.

So, unless of course they want to carry more than 3 interior DLinemen on the game-day roster – which of course they don’t – Zimmer’s scheme is much better served by playing Sims.

He’s an effective back-up for both which allows Zimmer to maintain scheme continuity.

You can deactivate a lot of guys that are never on the field to help you out. Dennis Roland for one does absolutely nothing. As does Dan Skuta. Or Vinnie Rey. You could deactivate Miles or Iloka.

[JohnHenry]

Originally Posted by coachmcneil71

Agree but would like to add that the pass was also tipped by MJ on that play.

True enough…

However, without taking away from Michael Johnson’s effort, the Gold Star clearly goes to Geno Atkins – without him the play has a different result.

Atkins is a Pro-Bowl player for a reason and that play is one example why.

Yep… one day soon he’s going to be a very rich dude…

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

His interception was a good example of this - he showed the strength of a NT and the athleticism of an UT.
On that play he occupied the center and guard which facilitated the one-on one match-ups with the other DLinemen.
Geno then did what Geno does and beat the other guard bringing pressure up the middle, which caused Manning to roll to his left and the eventual errant pass.
While this was happening, Sims continued to engage the double team.
And when it dissolved, he had the presents of mind to pursue the play and make the interception.

Word. Someone earlier suggested Sims was getting "beaten" by a lone Guard on the INT; however, if anybody watches the play, it is evident that Sims is occupying 2 blockers and is content to do so until it looks like Eli is trying to break out of contain. Once Sims identifiys that he disengages from the 2 blockers and moves toward the action and is there to make a big play.