Originally Posted by mulligan
You say "whine"; I say attempt to discuss intelligently.
I put side-by-side the CBs by the Safeties. If you choose to "discuss" this side-by-side comparison, then I welcome it.
If you choose to "whine" about my consistant (and thought out) concern about the safety core, please add some value instead of just complaint.
CBS Sports has the following ranks: McFadden (139th overall) and Alford (77th).
Alford would have to be drafed (most likely) with our 3rd round pick. In this mock, the RB is drafted in the 3rd round. So I wouldn't support the drafting of McFadden over a RB. Alford would be hypothetically a 5th round pick.
In my view, I see a Michael Williams (TE from Alabama) as having a much larger impact by replacing Roland as the heavy TE and giving the Bengals a more potent 3 T & 3 TE set on the 45 man roster.
I feel pretty confident that the Bengals should sign Pacman & Newman back to the 53 man roster.
As for the post about Newman being too slow, he wasn't too slow towards the end of the season. Nor did he give a 7 yard buffer at the snap of the ball. Pacman was boom or bust and did give up several long TDs consequently. Hall/Pacman/Newman/Der Kirk/Prater or Ghee.
As for the "BPA concept" (which I could whine about but won't), there are several RB prospects that are given higher grades than Alford and the others aren't too far behind. Ball (72nd overall), Ellington (75th overall), Randle (83rd overall), or perhaps Lattimore (86th overall).
Hey, but I guess this is whining.
Originally Posted by mulligan
In a vacuum, no.
When considering our Safety corp side-by-side, then I absolutely prioritize the safety corp.
So many seem to loose the concept and entirely of the 53 man roster and the strength (or lack thereof) in the positional groups.
Yes, it would be great to draft a CB. But if given the choice of drafting a CB in the 3rd or a RB in the 3rd (where no RB has been drafted prior), then I am going with the RB every time.
Dye had an injury and was an UDFA, so who knows if he will ever play. Sands has struggled to stay healthy and was recently arrested for beating his girlfriend (WVU grad of course), so who knows if he will ever play.
I wouldn't support Lattimore (injury concern) in the 3rd, but I would like the idea of another. Possibly Ball (72nd overall), Ellington (75th overall), Randle (83rd overall), or perhaps Lattimore (86th overall).
Problem is you're the only person accusing your post of being intelligent and multiple people accuse your posts of being whiny. It's difficult to have an intelligent comment about the CB corps when you are unaware Hall covers the slot receiver in nickel packages.
Another problem is your side by side comparison is inaccurate.
Newman, A. Jones, and Clements are UFA
Crocker is an UFA
Miles is a RFA and will be tendered
Allen is due $3.7 million in base salary and roster bonuses while his cap hit is only $400K if he is released, there is no way he is worth $3.7 million, it would be stupid if the Bengals kept him
Something else you don't seem to realize is how much the Bengals play in nickel and dime coverages. The figures for 2011 show the Bengals were in their base 4-3 defense 51% of the defensive snaps and they were in nickel or dime coverage 49% of the time. So your 3rd CB spends almost as much time on the field as one of your starting LBers.
If one of your top 4 CBs goes down with an injury, the 5th CB will be playing in the dime packages. The 5th S won't see the field unless you have three injuries at the S position.
In the above side-by-side comparsion; Allen, Kirkpatrick, Ghee, and Prater combined for a total of 7 tackles and played in a total of 9 games. Mays, Miles, and Iloka all exceeded those numbers. The S position has more depth and more playing time than the CB position. Both positions need to be addressed with a combination of free agent signings and draft picks. Goalpost did a mock draft, not an entier off season plan to address every one of your nit-picky concerns. Lighten up, Francis.