Brandon Joiner's get out of jail free card

[TheDeeOweZee]

Originally Posted by bengals85

Brandon Joiner will be getting out of jail soon on good behavior. Joiner is eligible for parole after 6 months. Before his sentencing of the incident that happened 5 years ago, Joiner has without a doubt turned his life around. He graduated with honors from Arkansas State along with being the most natural pass rusher in last years draft. With no red flags he could've very easily been a first round pick. If you don't believe me then go estch YouTube videos and tell me your not impressed. The Bengals held on to him for a reason and they will be rewarded for it. Joiner will be like an extra first round pick next year and a true pass rusher that they desperately need. Only one thing he could be doing in jail and that's lifting weights.

They took weights out of jails and prisons over a decade ago. Inmates were getting too big and some were using them as weapons. With that being said, I hope he's at least been in there studying football and staying out of trouble. Our prison system has a knack for taking a petty criminal and turning them into a hardened thug. While I am impressed with the guy's natural talent, I also realize he may never reach his potential under this coaching staff. We all know MELVIN's penchant for playing rookies / younger players. I'd almost expect to never see this kid on the field unless someone got hurt. No matter how good he may be.

Dre Kirk is this year's version. Joiner will be next year's.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by bengals85

Brandon Joiner will be getting out of jail soon on good behavior. Joiner is eligible for parole after 6 months. Before his sentencing of the incident that happened 5 years ago, Joiner has without a doubt turned his life around. He graduated with honors from Arkansas State along with being the most natural pass rusher in last years draft. With no red flags he could've very easily been a first round pick. If you don't believe me then go estch YouTube videos and tell me your not impressed. The Bengals held on to him for a reason and they will be rewarded for it. Joiner will be like an extra first round pick next year and a true pass rusher that they desperately need. Only one thing he could be doing in jail and that's lifting weights.

There it is...the "Player X will be like an extra 1st Round Draft pick".

It's the same thing we heard for guys like Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Dennis Weathersby, Cedric Benson, Reggie Nelson, Tank Johnson, and some of the other guys we've brought in.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Dalton over Gradkowski is the most evident.

Jason Allen hasn't been activated several times even when he has been healthy. Behind Clements & Hall, Allen is the highest paid player.

The theories that ML doesn't play rookies is not valid.
The theory that the Bengals ALWAYS go with the highest paid player is not valid.

What a great signing Allen was!

Want to revisit our "We should have signed a legit CB like Brandon Carr or Finnegan" arguement"? Wasn't Jason Allen being a quality CB a central part of your stance?

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

There it is...the "Player X will be like an extra 1st Round Draft pick".

It's the same thing we heard for guys like Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Dennis Weathersby, Cedric Benson, Reggie Nelson, Tank Johnson, and some of the other guys we've brought in.

And some people thought Burfict would be like an extra first round pick... It's true sometimes.

[Old White Guy]

He will sit next to Sanu, White, and Peerman.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

What a great signing Allen was!

Want to revisit our "We should have signed a legit CB like Brandon Carr or Finnegan" arguement"? Wasn't Jason Allen being a quality CB a central part of your stance?

Not particularly.

But, I list this because it makes it abundantly clear that the Bengals don't start players blindly based on salary.

With 8 games left in 2012 and another 16 in 2013, the jury is still out on the value of signing Jason Allen.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

There it is...the "Player X will be like an extra 1st Round Draft pick".

It's the same thing we heard for guys like Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Dennis Weathersby, Cedric Benson, Reggie Nelson, Tank Johnson, and some of the other guys we've brought in.

What is the difference? It seems obvious.

Thurman was a 2nd round pick.
Henry was a 3rd round pick.
Benson was an UFA with baggage.
Nelson was a trade.
Tank was a UFA with baggage.
Weathersby was a 4th round pick.

Burfict was an UDFA. Joiner was an UDFA. The Bengals didn't have to trade any picks for them. Nor did the Bengals have to "use up" their existing draft picks to get them.

Of your list of players, the only parallel would be Benson.

All the others had a draft pick cost to them.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Old White Guy

He will sit next to Sanu, White, and Peerman.

Who is White?

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

And some people thought Burfict would be like an extra first round pick... It's true sometimes.

Let's just see how the Burfict story turns out before we declare him a success.

We all thought that Odell Thurman would end up a perennial Pro Bowl player too.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

What is the difference? It seems obvious.

Thurman was a 2nd round pick.
Henry was a 3rd round pick.
Benson was an UFA with baggage.
Nelson was a trade.
Tank was a UFA with baggage.
Weathersby was a 4th round pick.

Burfict was an UDFA. Joiner was an UDFA. The Bengals didn't have to trade any picks for them. Nor did the Bengals have to "use up" their existing draft picks to get them.

Of your list of players, the only parallel would be Benson.

All the others had a draft pick cost to them.

Oh I'd definately rather take a risk on an UDFA than waste a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Round pick...

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Who is White?

I am

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Oh I'd definately rather take a risk on an UDFA than waste a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Round pick...

Yes, I agree.

In the 2005 draft, if the Bengals would have taken solid players without huge character flaws, they would have been better served than they were drafting Thurman & Henry.

The Bengals got 1 year of play from Thurman (2nd). Henry (3rd) got more play, but it was a nightmare with off-the-field issues.

Again, obviously, Burfict & Joiner were low risk, potential high reward.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Old White Guy

He will sit next to Sanu, White, and Peerman.

Originally Posted by bfine32

I am

And where are you sitting?