QB controversy or not?

[fortyyearfan]

Originally Posted by degolfisfun

Agree with 90% of your view. Where we disagree is on the OL assessment. I think we have a good O Line .... perhaps very good in running and average in pass pro. But overall, as good as anybody's in our Division and better than most in the league. I won't disagree that a C upgrade might be in order. However Andre must be resigned or the run game will go south.

As I've said in previous posts, I think there is a huge difference between Pressure and Offensive Line issues. We've seen Pressure that 5 OL guys are dealing with pretty well. It is the QB and Coordinator that need to deal with it better and differently.

I think Sanu shows promise as a Slot guy and I'm OK with the future there. I don't know however that we're good enough at #2 WR though. I think a Free Agent upgrade is needed although the draft is strong with WRs. Most of all however, we need a RB. I saw something about Reggie Bush. Yes, someone like him than can catch a down-the-field 25 yard pass as well as bounce outside on running plays for 50-60 yards/game would be perfect IMO. That would stop alot of this pressure-nonsense.

ANDY DALTON is the qb and has the ability to change the plays and make the offense go.I think he doesn't know how.That gameplan was awlful and andy had a chance to call the right play and he did not.This game was on him and stupid # 84.That guy is a big old turd,and a stupid one.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by degolfisfun

Agree with 90% of your view. Where we disagree is on the OL assessment. I think we have a good O Line .... perhaps very good in running and average in pass pro. But overall, as good as anybody's in our Division and better than most in the league. I won't disagree that a C upgrade might be in order. However Andre must be resigned or the run game will go south.

As I've said in previous posts, I think there is a huge difference between Pressure and Offensive Line issues. We've seen Pressure that 5 OL guys are dealing with pretty well. It is the QB and Coordinator that need to deal with it better and differently.

I think Sanu shows promise as a Slot guy and I'm OK with the future there. I don't know however that we're good enough at #2 WR though. I think a Free Agent upgrade is needed although the draft is strong with WRs. Most of all however, we need a RB. I saw something about Reggie Bush. Yes, someone like him than can catch a down-the-field 25 yard pass as well as bounce outside on running plays for 50-60 yards/game would be perfect IMO. That would stop alot of this pressure-nonsense.

we had a Great OL going... then cook came off IR and everything went to ****.

[BengalFanNJ]

No controversy. They do need to draft one in the mid to late rounds, but Dalton is the starter for another 2 years at least. Let him work on deep throws in the offseason and he will get better. He did improve from last season to this one. I will grant you that his last month of play was pretty bad. If Dalton struggles early next year, we may be in big trouble.

[Bengals Mike]

It's a controversy when you've never missed the playoffs in your career? Dalton has set the standards so high now because of this of course we're expecting a playoff win in his 3rd year next year, whereas back when we had Palmer, we were just happy to make it in his 3rd year let alone win anything

[Hammerstripes]

You're only as good as the team around you.

QB gets way too much of the credit and the blame. The O-line got flat out dominated and it's Andy's fault?

He may be part of the problem (pocket presence), but that may be correctable.

You can't throw the offense out on the field against one of the best NFL defenses and expect to score points when you have holes all over the field.

[OSUfan]

Zero controversy. Dalton is the QB whether some like it or not.

[SwiffLlama]

I'm just not getting all the hate for Dalton. I was just PO'd at his performance against the Texans but the guy is a second year QB. He led this team to the playoffs 2 years in a row. I know that the Bengals make the playoff every year, especially in back to back years, but come on... (Hope you can feel the sarcasm there) If you look at the stat sheet for the year he had a descent year for a second year QB. Let's compare him to the other QB's that lost in the playoffs:

Dalton:
528 Attempts / 329 Completions
3669 Yards
27 Touchdowns / 16 Interceptions
4 Rushing Touchdowns / 120 Yards
87.4 Passer Rating

RGIII:
393 Attempts / 258 Completions
3200 Yards
20 Touchdowns / 5 Interceptions
7 Rushing Touchdowns / 815 Yards
102.4 Passer Rating

Christian Ponder (Didn't play but started the whole year):
483 Attempts / 300 Completions
18 Touchdowns / 12 Interceptions
2 Rushing Touchdowns / 253 Rushing Yards
81.2 Passer Rating

Andrew Luck:
627 Attempts / 339 Completions
4374 Yards
23 Touchdowns / 18 Interceptions
5 Rushing Touchdowns / 255 Rushing Yards
76.5 Passer Rating

Dalton was not a horrible QB this year by any stretch. Was he a Brady or Manning, uhm no. But there is only 2 of them and they are currently employed by the Patriots and Broncos. My final argument for Dalton; ask a Panther's fan if they would trade Cam Newton for 2 years in the playoffs and a good possibility for a 3rd. I'm willing to bet a few of them would take the offer straight up. Dalton needs to improve and he will. But to place all the blame on him for the loss is crazy. More of the blame belongs to the coaches. How do you not game plan to get green at least 10 targets a half? Secondly, how do you only run the ball 11 times with The Law Firm when he is averaging 6 yards a friggin carry! Want to slow down the pass rush, that's the way to do it! Just my 2 cents though. Everyone is free to think what they want. Would have loved to win that game and be looking forward to playing Denver this weekend, but I'll take back to back playoff games for the first time in 20+ years as a runner up prize.