rookie of the year

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Luck > RG III

What is he better in?

Completion %
RGIII 65.6
Luck 54.1

RGIII > Luck

YPA
RGIII 8.14
Luck 6.98

RGIII > Luck

INTs
RGIII 5
Luck 18

RGIII > Luck

Passer Rating
RGIII 102.4
Luck 76.5

RGIII > Luck

Luck has more yards and passing TDs(He has 3 more passing TDs) but he threw it 234 more times.

If RGIII had thrown it as many times as Luck, based on his YPA, his passing yards would have been 5,104 compared to 4,374. Hell he would have had 31 TDs(based on TDs per attempt)

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

Or because he's an offensive lineman, who got drafted in a ridiculously talented draft that had 6 Pro Bowlers in it, including 3 QBs... also one of those 6 was first team All Pro, and there was a second team All Pro who wasn't even included in those 6. And those 7 don't include the DROY/NFL tackle leader.

So I don't think Zeitler being a Bengal had anything to do with not getting any votes. I think that while he was a real good rookie, he simply wasn't dominant or impressive enough to get notice in such a talented group of rookies.

Very tru and well said.

[J24]

Offensive linemen do not win awards in the NFL.

[J24]

Originally Posted by Bryan

What is he better in?

Completion %
RGIII 65.6
Luck 54.1

RGIII > Luck

YPA
RGIII 8.14
Luck 6.98

RGIII > Luck

INTs
RGIII 5
Luck 18

RGIII > Luck

Passer Rating
RGIII 102.4
Luck 76.5

RGIII > Luck

Luck has more yards and passing TDs(He has 3 more passing TDs) but he threw it 234 more times.

If RGIII had thrown it as many times as Luck, based on his YPA, his passing yards would have been 5,104 compared to 4,374. Hell he would have had 31 TDs(based on TDs per attempt)

Griffin Played with a 1,600 yard back who averaged 4.8 carries. It is allot easier for a QB to play with an elite Running game.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by J24

Griffin Played with a 1,600 yard back who averaged 4.8 carries. It is allot easier for a QB to play with an elite Running game.

Because Griffin's running ability didn't take focus off of Morris? Ok

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

LMAO ......sorry but this is just an ignorant statement.

You do realize that outside of Ohio most of the Jungle members opinions including yours are in the minority, correct?
Just saying...

[J24]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Because Griffin's running ability didn't take focus off of Morris? Ok

and your saying Morris did not help griffin? OK then! Listen I like Griffin, Kaepernick, and Wilson but they have it easy they play against 8 man fronts teams concentrate on stopping the run against them which allows them to throw the ball deep one on one.

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

You do realize that outside of Ohio most of the Jungle members opinions including yours are in the minority, correct?
Just saying...

[Millz]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Because Griffin's running ability didn't take focus off of Morris? Ok

True RG3 helped Morris out. But still, 1600+ yards and 13 tds for a 6th round rookie is still very impressive. There is maybe one of our draft picks from last year I would rather have over Morris, and that would be Zeitler and that is a big maybe.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

I'm not the most up to date on these kind of things, but if I had to guess, I'd have to say ****ing never.

Correct.

Since 1967, when the award started:
31 running backs
8 wide receivers
7 quarterbacks
No TE or OL have won the award.


Fun fact: Eddie Brown(1985) and Carl Pickens(1992) are the only Bengal rookies to win the award.

[Bengal4ever68]

Us Bengal fans know he is good. That's all that matters.

[Aquapod770]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

Or because he's an offensive lineman, who got drafted in a ridiculously talented draft that had 6 Pro Bowlers in it, including 3 QBs... also one of those 6 was first team All Pro, and there was a second team All Pro who wasn't even included in those 6. And those 7 don't include the DROY/NFL tackle leader.

So I don't think Zeitler being a Bengal had anything to do with not getting any votes. I think that while he was a real good rookie, he simply wasn't dominant or impressive enough to get notice in such a talented group of rookies.

Pretty much this.

[TheLeonardLeap]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

How many 1st rounders came in and immediately made an impact?

Did:
Andrew Luck
RG3
Trent Richardson
Matt Kalil
Justin Blackmon
Morris Claiborne
Mark Barron
Ryan Tannehill
Luke Kuechley
Stephon Gilmore
Fletcher Cox
Michael Brockers
Bruce Irvin
Quinton Coples
Kendall Wright
Chandler Jones
Brandon Weeden
Dont'a Hightower
Whitney Mercilus
Kevin Zeitler
Harrison Smith
Doug Martin
David Wilson


Didn't:
Dontari Poe
Michael Floyd
Dre Kirkpatrick
Melvin Ingram
Shea McClellin
Riley Reiff (1st round T is expected to start more than 8 games)
David DeCastro
Nick Perry
A.J. Jenkins


I think that's a lot more production than non-production out of 1st rounders. Now am I saying all those guys under "Did" were All-Pro, or even Pro Bowlers? Of course not, because not everyone can be those.. that doesn't mean they couldn't contribute with 600-800 yards receiving, or 6 sacks... something like that. The majority of 1st rounders are expected to come into their teams and make an impact at their position... or at least upgrade their position. That's why 1st round picks are so valuable, even if you're trading up just a few spots.

[RoarOfTheBengal]

Originally Posted by tottenham fan

i see our kevin didnt get any votes, oh yes i forgot he plays for the BENGALS!!

This isn't a completely moronic post/thread.