A fine Championship Day Mock

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Without a compelling argument, I find it out to fathom a mock that doesn't address LB, S, & RB with the first 3 picks.

Because the depth and strength of each draft class is different year to year.

One year the draft might have one first round S and several second to thrid round players which allows you to address your need for a S later. While the next year, the opposite may be true so if you need a S you better grab one early because there are no good players later in the draft.

It can also depend upon draft philosophy; best player available vs. need. Are you going to draft a S because of need or a RE who is clearly a better player but will be a rotational guy?

Also, if the Bengals don't re-sign or franchise Michael Johnson then RE is a much more pressing need than a SS because of the value of the position.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ilovethedraft

@wingnut and @mulligan, stop hijacking this thread. If you want to argue about who's ****** is bigger, take it to 4chan.

@newbie, I'm talking about the mock so STFU.

I don't even know what 4chan is.

Apparently, you know what it is from experience.

[ilovethedraft]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

@newbie, I'm talking about the mock so STFU.

I don't even know what 4chan is.

Apparently, you know what it is from experience.

You are correct, I do know what 4chan is. Because I'm a mother funking wizard /b/.

And, no, you were not discussing the validity of this mock draft, you were playing a game of he said, she said over meaningless semantics.

So, good night to you, good sir.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ilovethedraft

I'm a mother funking wizard /b/.

That explains a lot.

Oh, I see you learned how to edit your sig so you no longer have to hijack other mock draft threads with your own mock draft. Good job, Gandalf.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Because the depth and strength of each draft class is different year to year.

One year the draft might have one first round S and several second to thrid round players which allows you to address your need for a S later. While the next year, the opposite may be true so if you need a S you better grab one early because there are no good players later in the draft.

It can also depend upon draft philosophy; best player available vs. need. Are you going to draft a S because of need or a RE who is clearly a better player but will be a rotational guy?

Also, if the Bengals don't re-sign or franchise Michael Johnson then RE is a much more pressing need than a SS because of the value of the position.

So, in your opinion, NFL teams will allow starting calibre safeties to drop to the 4th and 5th rounds? Passing on a starter 3, 4, or 5 times?

It seems to me that if there is more depth at a particular position, then there will be more drafts of that position in the first 3 rounds.

But, hey, let's hope all of the rest of the NFL teams are willing to pass on an immediate starter 3 or 4 times.

[ilovethedraft]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

That explains a lot.

Oh, I see you learned how to edit your sig so you no longer have to hijack other mock draft threads with your own mock draft. Good job, Gandalf.

Boy, you really are a dim wit. I don't have enough posts to start my own thread, therefore, I have to "hijack" threads to put in my 2 cents on the draft. But go ahead and try to attack every single person who questions your intelligence...Or lack there of.

You had me sold with your argument on what defines a "playmaker", but you should have just stopped talking while you were ahead.

By the way, I went through the AFC Pro Bowl roster and counted 26 first round picks. I would say that, by statistics alone, if you want a "playmaker" (which I define as a Pro Bowl caliber player) you better be looking for them in the 1st round.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

So, in your opinion, NFL teams will allow starting calibre safeties to drop to the 4th and 5th rounds? Passing on a starter 3, 4, or 5 times?

It seems to me that if there is more depth at a particular position, then there will be more drafts of that position in the first 3 rounds.

But, hey, let's hope all of the rest of the NFL teams are willing to pass on an immediate starter 3 or 4 times.

What is your major malfunction?

Where did I write anything about the 4th or 5th round? Nowhere.

I wrote sometimes the depth of a position and draft class can sometime allow you to draft a quality S in the 2nd or 3rd round and sometimes not.

WTH?

Going through the SS depth chart of all 32 teams, there are more undrafted college free agents starting than first round picks at the position. By assigning an 8th round value to UDFA, the mean round for drafting a SS is the 4th round. Since there are 32 teams there is no true median, but the mean of the median is 3rd round. There is no true mode because there are just as many 2nd round picks as undrafted college free agents starting at SS in the NFL. Also, there are just as many 3rd round picks as 1st round picks starting at SS in the NFL.

And all of this amounts to a hill of beans, because bfine chose a S Matt Elam with the 37th overall pick who is right now rated the top SS prospect by NFLDraftScout.com! WTH are you still whining about? He selected a SS in the second round! He chose the top rated player at the position you wanted in the round you wanted and somehow you've stil found a way to whine about it!

Instead of whining, why don't you tell bfine "good job" like the majority have? You haven't made a single comment about the bfine's mock. You just keep commenting on my comments that I thought bfine did an excellent job with his mock draft.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ilovethedraft

Boy, you really are a dim wit. I don't have enough posts to start my own thread, therefore, I have to "hijack" threads to put in my 2 cents on the draft. But go ahead and try to attack every single person who questions your intelligence...Or lack there of.

You had me sold with your argument on what defines a "playmaker", but you should have just stopped talking while you were ahead.

By the way, I went through the AFC Pro Bowl roster and counted 26 first round picks. I would say that, by statistics alone, if you want a "playmaker" (which I define as a Pro Bowl caliber player) you better be looking for them in the 1st round.

Pay attention, Harry Potter. When you get 50 posts you can start your own thread and do you own mock draft. It's not that difficult.

Mulligan hasn't made a single comment about bfine's mock. He only comments on my comments telling bfine excellent work. He continues to whine about drafting a safety after bfine selected one in the second round.

Where did I attack your intelligence? Who called whom "dim wit"?

Now run along and post another 40 or so of these "" and you can start your own thread about your own mock draft instead of hijacking other's mock drafts.

[ilovethedraft]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

@newbie, I'm talking about the mock so STFU.

I don't even know what 4chan is.

Apparently, you know what it is from experience.

So, you call me a newbie and tell me to "STFU". Then you make, what I can only determine to be, a homosexual innuendo towards me. So what if I am a homosexual, are you attempting to say homosexuals are lesser people than you. What are you going to do next, attempt to mock my race or ethnicity?

When I responded with, yes, I do know what 4chan is, you reply with;

Originally Posted by Wingnut

That explains a lot.

Oh, I see you learned how to edit your sig so you no longer have to hijack other mock draft threads with your own mock draft. Good job, Gandalf.

What does it explain, exactly? That I have learned the Internet? Then you continue to call me "Gandalf", which I can only presume is some attempted mockery at my intelligence. And the attempted mockery continues below;

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Pay attention, Harry Potter. When you get 50 posts you can start your own thread and do you own mock draft. It's not that difficult.

Mulligan hasn't made a single comment about bfine's mock. He only comments on my comments telling bfine excellent work. He continues to whine about drafting a safety after bfine selected one in the second round.

Where did I attack your intelligence? Who called whom "dim wit"?

Now run along and post another 40 or so of these "" and you can start your own thread about your own mock draft instead of hijacking other's mock drafts.

You continue by calling me Harry Potter, I am unsure exactly what innuendo you are trying to perpetuate with this comment. Perhaps you are now insinuating people with glasses or scars are inferior to you? So you will have to enlighten me, which I am most assured you will.

But what really takes the cake for me, is that you immediately jumped in and attempted to attack my sexuality with you derogatory comment all because I posted

Originally Posted by ilovethedraft

@wingnut and @mulligan, stop hijacking this thread. If you want to argue about who's ****** is bigger, take it to 4chan.

Now, don't bother replying, I won't see it and if I do, I won't care.

Congratulations, you have won the Internet for a day, whats next? Are you going to punch a baby?

Oh, by the way, the ****** from that comment was referencing a particular part of a womans anatomy, not a males.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ilovethedraft

So, you call me a newbie and tell me to "STFU". Then you make, what I can only determine to be, a homosexual innuendo towards me. So what if I am a homosexual, are you attempting to say homosexuals are lesser people than you. What are you going to do next, attempt to mock my race or ethnicity?

OMG!

What's that word under your screenname? Newbie. What's that word under "Newbie"? Again, newbie. I called you a newbie bacause you're a newbie. It states so twice under your screenname.

A homosexual innuendo? WHAT? Because I wrote you must know what 4chan is from experience? I told you I don't know what 4chan is so how on earth could I make a homosexual innuendo? The innuendo was you must know what 4chan is from the experience. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. How you came to that conclusion I don't have the slightest idea.

My nineteen y/o daughter is a lesbian. My wife is half Filipina/Caucausian. I have six nieces and one nephew who are half Filipino/African American. You can put your sexual orientation and race cards away because those topics truly don't matter to me. That dog won't hunt here.

You've provoked this entire exchange with your "******" comment. I suggest you keep those comments to yourself if you're this sensitive.

When I responded with, yes, I do know what 4chan is, you reply with;



What does it explain, exactly? That I have learned the Internet? Then you continue to call me "Gandalf", which I can only presume is some attempted mockery at my intelligence. And the attempted mockery continues below;

It explains how you know what 4chan is. You wrote you are a wizard at 4chan and Gandalf is a wizard from LOTRs. It has nothing to do with your intelligence.

You continue by calling me Harry Potter, I am unsure exactly what innuendo you are trying to perpetuate with this comment. Perhaps you are now insinuating people with glasses or scars are inferior to you? So you will have to enlighten me, which I am most assured you will.

But what really takes the cake for me, is that you immediately jumped in and attempted to attack my sexuality with you derogatory comment all because I posted

Harry Potter is a wizard. You're a wizard. There is no other innuendo other than you're both wizards. The only attempted attack upon your sexuality is what you have imagined in your own mind. I don't know your sexuality nor do I care. As I told my own daughter, a person's sexual orientation truly doesn't matter to me. I couldn't care less. It's well documented here I am pro gay rights and supported gays/lesbians serving openly in the miliary even before I knew my daughter was a lesbian. I can give you the screen name of a third party who will unequivocally verify that for you.

Now, don't bother replying, I won't see it and if I do, I won't care.

Congratulations, you have won the Internet for a day, whats next? Are you going to punch a baby?

Oh, by the way, the ****** from that comment was referencing a particular part of a womans anatomy, not a males.

I'll reply to whatever I want, Merlin. That's another wizard reference that doesn't have anything to do with your sexual orientation or intelligence.

I can count astericks. I knew you were referencing a woman's anatomy when you started this crap. Again, if you're this hypersensitive regarding certain issues that I never commented upon, maybe you should refrain from "******" comments.






Once again, love your mock draft bfine. Especially addressing the #2 WR and the interior offensive line to improve the 22nd offense in the league with the 27th worst 3rd down conversion rate.

Selecting the top rated SS? Excellent work.

Addressing the LBer corp with an underrated prospect most don't know about? I like it. Good choice.

I'm not too crazy about Christine Michael's injury history, but in a complimentary role to BJGE with limited carries his risk of injuries is limited, also. So I understand your thought process.

Addressing depth at LB, TE, and OT in the 5th and 6th? Smart.

I realize things will most likely change during the draft process and free agency, but if anyone wants to complain it is because they just like to complain.

[Burma]

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

What is your major malfunction?

Where did I write anything about the 4th or 5th round? Nowhere.

I wrote sometimes the depth of a position and draft class can sometime allow you to draft a quality S in the 2nd or 3rd round and sometimes not.

WTH?

Going through the SS depth chart of all 32 teams, there are more undrafted college free agents starting than first round picks at the position. By assigning an 8th round value to UDFA, the mean round for drafting a SS is the 4th round. Since there are 32 teams there is no true median, but the mean of the median is 3rd round. There is no true mode because there are just as many 2nd round picks as undrafted college free agents starting at SS in the NFL. Also, there are just as many 3rd round picks as 1st round picks starting at SS in the NFL.

And all of this amounts to a hill of beans, because bfine chose a S Matt Elam with the 37th overall pick who is right now rated the top SS prospect by NFLDraftScout.com! WTH are you still whining about? He selected a SS in the second round! He chose the top rated player at the position you wanted in the round you wanted and somehow you've stil found a way to whine about it!

Instead of whining, why don't you tell bfine "good job" like the majority have? You haven't made a single comment about the bfine's mock. You just keep commenting on my comments that I thought bfine did an excellent job with his mock draft.

I am no whining But you appear to be whinning about me whining.

Anyway, in one of my posts, I wrote that I am challenged with mocks that do not address RB, SS, & LB as the first picks of the draft.

In bfine's moch, he did address the safety position with Matt Elam.

His mock did not address RB until the 4th round.
His mock did not address LB until the 3rd round.

I see this approach as problematic.

But, hey, since you really, really want me to congratulate bfine's mock, okay. Good job selecting a safety in the 2nd round, bfine!

Now, what is your strategy at LB and RB?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by mulligan

But, hey, since you really, really want me to congratulate bfine's mock, okay. Good job selecting a safety in the 2nd round, bfine!

Now, what is your strategy at LB and RB?

Taking Collins in the 3rd and Michael in the 4th. Didn't you see the OP?

LB:
Vontaze moves inside, Howard returns at Will, and Collins comes in at SAM

RB:
Christine Michael is a 220 pound RB with 4.4 speed. CBS has already moved him up a full round and Mike Mayock wants to have his baby.

So silly to say I can't get behind a draft that doesn't take RB, LB, SS with the 1st 3 picks. Career as a GM would probably be short lived.

[Primetime100]

1-2 Solid if you like Elam.
2B. No need for a OG .
3-6. Much better players available & Micheal isnt coachable thats why he didn't play.
We need speed we have power on the roster.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Taking Collins in the 3rd and Michael in the 4th. Didn't you see the OP?

LB:
Vontaze moves inside, Howard returns at Will, and Collins comes in at SAM

RB:
Christine Michael is a 220 pound RB with 4.4 speed. CBS has already moved him up a full round and Mike Mayock wants to have his baby.

So silly to say I can't get behind a draft that doesn't take RB, LB, SS with the 1st 3 picks. Career as a GM would probably be short lived.

I don't feel comfortable going into a season starting a 3rd round LB at SAM and hoping that Howard doesn't lapse back into injury and then needing to start Lemur.

There is ZERO depth at LB. You did add a 6th round LB as well.

SAM: 3rd rounder/Skuta?
MIKE: Burfict/Kline?
WILL: Howard/Lemur

You don't see this as problematic?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I don't feel comfortable going into a season starting a 3rd round LB at SAM and hoping that Howard doesn't lapse back into injury and then needing to start Lemur.

There is ZERO depth at LB. You did add a 6th round LB as well.

SAM: 3rd rounder/Skuta?
MIKE: Burfict/Kline?
WILL: Howard/Lemur

You don't see this as problematic?

Nope, cause:

What if Sanu gets injured again, who is our #2 WR? A 5th round Marvn Jones.


You don't see this as problematic?

[Go Cards]

Could certainly live with this mock.

Definitely like Patterson if he is there. Think we will go defense, but the offense is what needs the most help for sure.

Would really like seeing Elam in stripes. Think he is perfect fit for us and will have to take him here to get him.

But still like Frederick over Wharton. But applaud your homerism on this pick.
Could deal with arch enemy of my Cards being drafted here though. Because Wharton is the real deal !

But once again prefer Frederick and disagree that Wharton is far superior.

Like Michael as well. Do not know a whole lot on the rest yet. So will take your word for it as they do fill needs and am sure you did your homework.

Overall very solid

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I am no whining But you appear to be whinning about me whining.

Not whining? Really?

Originally Posted by mulligan

To anyone who doesn't think we need a S in the first two rounds, name one playmaker not named Nelson in the Safety corp.

Your very first comment in this thread dealt with drafting a S in the first two rounds and bfine selected the top rated SS with the Bengals' first pick in the second round.

That's the very definition of whining.

[BBlesmiley]

Nice draft B!..
You do know Warfords natural is the right side though. I know he can play both.lol.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by BBlesmiley

Nice draft B!..
You do know Warfords natural is the right side though. I know he can play both.lol.

No doubt. I see interior linemen a lot like 4-3 LBs. Get the best 3 on the field. Move Z to OC

[pulses]

Originally Posted by bfine32

No doubt. I see interior linemen a lot like 4-3 LBs. Get the best 3 on the field. Move Z to OC

Warford is a no brainer for us IMO.

[BengalBuckeye]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Watching the NFC/AFC Championship games today, I decided to do my part to show Mikey will have us playing in this game next year.

This is my first mock since the season ended and we know where all of our picks are going to be (sure 5B can moved 1 or 2 positions).

So here you go Mikey; pay atention and address FA accordingly. PM me if you need help with that.

1. CORDARRELLE PATTERSON WR/TENN


6'3", 205 pound track star. Single-handedly lowered David Amerson's draft status one round in his first FBS game. This guy can do everything, has the speed to take the top off a defense, the size to go over the middle, the runing ability to be used on gadget plays, and is a dynamic Kick Returner. 1st player in 4 years to score a TD 4 different ways (receiving, rushing, kick return, punt return). I like Marvin and Mohamed as much as the next guy; however, Corderrelle is a signifigant upgrade. Ever wonder what it would be like to has AJ and Julio Jones on the same team? Draft this guy and find out.

2A. MATT ELAM SS/UF


I look at this guy and I see Troy Polamalu. Identical in size and game. Troy like to lay the wood and seems to be everywhere on the field. You watch a Florida game and you will see the same out of Matt. Some consider Matt undisciplined and goes for the big hit instead of the wrap up; however, Matt has been called the best form tackler in college. Put Matt back there with his fellow Gator and we have a dynamic duo.

2B. LARRY WARFORD OG/UK


Travis Frederick in currently the sexy pick here; however, Warford is simply a better interior lineman. Has some experience as Center and Can play all 3 interior lineman positions and RT in a pinch. UK linemen never get any national recognition; however, Warford was named AP 3rd Team All-American. The first Wildcat Olineman since 1976

3. JAMIE COLLINS OLB/SO.MISS


Former DB, turned LB, turned D-Lineman. Absolutely fills up the stat sheet: 92 tackles (20.0 TFL), 10 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles. Experience as a DB speaks well for his cover skills and 16.5 sacks (39.5 TFL) in the 2 years he played D-line speak we, ll for his ability to be disruptive in the opponent’s backfield. At 6’3”, 239 pounds with 4.6 speed he has the perfect size/speed blend required of a SAM.

4. CHRISTINE MICHAEL RB/TA&M


Value, value, value. Christine would be gone in the 2nd if it weren't for an ACL injury suffered at the end of his Junior Year and the fact that he and the new TA&M didn't see things eye to eye. The only person that might like him better than me as a prospect is Mike Mayock. Mayock raved over his practice week and game performance during the East-West Shrine Game. This guy is bigger, faster, and has more wiggle than Eddie Lacy.

5. AJ KLEIN MLB/ISU


Drafting AJ gives us flexibility. Best case he excels in the middle and allows us to keep Vontaze at WILL. Worst case we have a upgrade of Skuta as a swiss Army Knife type LB. AJ can play all three LB position and his athletic ability is often over looked.He leave ISU with 342 tackles (19 TFL) and 3 sacks. AJ excels in pass coverage: 5 INTs, 9 PDs, and no LB in College history was returned more INTs for TD than AJ.

6A. LEVINE TOILOLO TE/STAN


Still a work in progress at TE. But he has the tools to develop into an elite talent. 6'8", 265 pounds with good hands. Insurance policy for when Gresh's contract is up. We can let him develop on the PS or he can take Quinn's spot as the guy on the 53 that is never active.

6B. BRADEN BROWN OT/BYU


6'6", 305 pound OT that was recruited as a TE. Can come in and take over Roland's duties on the field. When we line up in the overload package, this guy could provide us with a catch or 2.

I am not a big fan of receiver in 1 and what I have read on a few sites about Klein is that he struggles in coverage.I watched some video on Jon Major and the guy can run sideline to sideline not sure on his weaknesses.