Dont beleive Marvin when it comes to week 17

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

Yeah, that is true position wise, nothing to gain there.

I still wonder about Paul Alexander and Marv, the both of them have made huge gaffes in the past.

This Center situation is perplexing and i don't think it is Gruden's idea. Robinson should start and
stay in. Cook has been sukking it up lately and you should never screw with your O-line in the
middle of a playoff run.

Thank God we were still able to get in but i hope these guys step it up going into the playoffs.

I think Alexander is decent and a good teacher, but if he is in charge of personnel than he *****

Yeah, I hated seeing cook thrown like a ragdoll all game.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by MrRager

Why is your only debate tactict to take the other sides extreme option? Of course that's an unbelievablely stupid idea, even hypothetically making a point. Can you not debate reasonably?

"Let them play football" you do know that football is a violent game and at this point in the season usually the healthier team wins? Every year in the preseason I hear people talk about how the team that can best avoid injuries will have a better chance.b what better way to avoid injuries that to not play in a meanless pointless game?

Also, I have heard time and time again about how different and how they are mentally tougher than the 09 team, but I keep seeing that being used as an example as to why we shouldn't. if this team is sooooo mentally tough than they wouldn't give two **** about momentum.

What happens if Dunlap gets knicked up, but we win and gain "momentum" and on the opening kickoff our opponent returns the kick for a touchdown. Guess what! All the momentum has disappeared. Like that. Was it worth it? Momentum in a football game will change twenty times a game, and only matters within the game itself. Once you step on that field, no gives a **** if they won last week. What would help in the playoffs is having a distinct health advantage.

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Fantastic argument....

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by MrRager

I think Alexander is decent and a good teacher, but if he is in charge of personnel than he *****

Yeah, I hated seeing cook thrown like a ragdoll all game.

And that was supposed to be Cooks strength, his strength and his smarts.

Don't know what has happened to him this year but Cook blew in preseason as well.

This is coming from a guy that has been a Cook supporter in the past.

Robinson is a rookie and has played well, i just don't understand what the coaches are thinking here.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by MrRager

Fantastic argument....

Okay here we go again. I will state my points again however had you read the thread you would already know them:

1) This a young core team. They have much to improve upon. You can only gauge that improvement in game situations.
2) Momentum.....many have made light of it but I think that is only to fit their argument.
3) Mental aspect of going into the playoffs with a win over Baltimore. Especially should we end up facing them later in the playoffs.
4) Sitting players has never served us well in the past.

If this was a vet group led by a vet like Brady or Manning then we probably are not having this discussion. However it is not. There are players like Marvin Jones that need game reps with Dalton.

Many of the players have stated themselves that they want to play. Bottomline.....there are valid points to each side. However I am not sure there is a 100% correct answer. I think it is up to the staff to gauge it as the game unfolds.

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Okay here we go again. I will state my points again however had you read the thread you would already know them:

1) This a young core team. They have much to improve upon. You can only gauge that improvement in game situations.
2) Momentum.....many have made light of it but I think that is only to fit their argument.
3) Mental aspect of going into the playoffs with a win over Baltimore. Especially should we end up facing them later in the playoffs.
4) Sitting players has never served us well in the past.

If this was a vet group led by a vet like Brady or Manning then we probably are not having this discussion. However it is not. There are players like Marvin Jones that need game reps with Dalton.

Many of the players have stated themselves that they want to play. Bottomline.....there are valid points to each side. However I am not sure there is a 100% correct answer. I think it is up to the staff to gauge it as the game unfolds.

1) weighing the risk/reward, how much do you think this team will be able to improve against a Ravens team that will most likely be playing lightly and backups.

2) Many have made light of it because it is a stupid concept. Once those players step on the field no one cares about the previous week.

3) That mental aspect is overrated. We all know this is a different team from week one and that we belong in the playoffs. I don't think the mental aspect will help or hurt them. How much of a mental aspect would we gain from beating a team not even trying? Once again if you need the pride of beating a team to be ready mentally than you're team is not ready for the playoffs.

4) This is true, but I thought this was, and I have seen you say, a completely different team from that past that is high character, tough, and motivated. If this were true, past Bengals teams would be irrelevant and the 3 points above become nullified.

Also, great job finally completing a coherent argument instead of acting like a child.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by MrRager

1) weighing the risk/reward, how much do you think this team will be able to improve against a Ravens team that will most likely be playing lightly and backups.

2) Many have made light of it because it is a stupid concept. Once those players step on the field no one cares about the previous week.

3) That mental aspect is overrated. We all know this is a different team from week one and that we belong in the playoffs. I don't think the mental aspect will help or hurt them. How much of a mental aspect would we gain from beating a team not even trying? Once again if you need the pride of beating a team to be ready mentally than you're team is not ready for the playoffs.

4) This is true, but I thought this was, and I have seen you say, a completely different team from that past that is high character, tough, and motivated. If this were true, past Bengals teams would be irrelevant and the 3 points above become nullified.

Also, great job finally completing a coherent argument instead of acting like a child.

I gotta say, very good arguments here Rager.

The only thing i have to say is that with us being such a young team, the mental aspect of our young guys is a good argument for playing our starters longer.

Like OSUfan said, if we were more experienced it wouldn't matter as much.

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

I gotta say, very good arguments here Rager.

The only thing i have to say is that with us being such a young team, the mental aspect of our young guys is a good argument for playing our starters longer.

Like OSUfan said, if we were more experienced it wouldn't matter as much.

Thank you. I agree that the mental aspect is a decent point and see how some might value it highly. Personally I just don't think its important enough to risk injury. Some might and that's why this debate is taking place.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by MrRager

1) weighing the risk/reward, how much do you think this team will be able to improve against a Ravens team that will most likely be playing lightly and backups.

2) Many have made light of it because it is a stupid concept. Once those players step on the field no one cares about the previous week.

3) That mental aspect is overrated. We all know this is a different team from week one and that we belong in the playoffs. I don't think the mental aspect will help or hurt them. How much of a mental aspect would we gain from beating a team not even trying? Once again if you need the pride of beating a team to be ready mentally than you're team is not ready for the playoffs.

4) This is true, but I thought this was, and I have seen you say, a completely different team from that past that is high character, tough, and motivated. If this were true, past Bengals teams would be irrelevant and the 3 points above become nullified.

Also, great job finally completing a coherent argument instead of acting like a child.

Thank you for proving why as a general rule I do not even respond to you.

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Thank you for proving why as a general rule I do not even respond to you.