ESPN Cleveland QB Rankings (This is going to make some really angry)

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

Super Elite
1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay: Strong and accurate arm, mobile, unflappable, respected leader, pressure player. What else is there?
2. Peyton Manning, Denver: His truly remarkable 2012 season secured his place among the sport’s all-time greats.
3. Tom Brady, New England: The Joe Montana of his generation.
4. Drew Brees, New Orleans: Probably the best indoor quarterback in NFL history.
**5. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh: The most physical quarterback ever.
6. Eli Manning, N.Y. Giants: Lacks consistency, but when on, the prettiest thrower around.
**7. Joe Flacco, Baltimore: Strongest arm today, plus a pulse that hardly registers.


** Plays in AFC North!!!!
** Rivals of the Browns!!!!



Where is there bias when he has the other QB's of the division ranked 5 and 7?????

Really??? Really??? Has it come down to this where you can pull out the bias card and totally forget who was ranked 5th and 7th???

You know I hadn't read it so thanks for showing me what a tool this dude is.

He said "2012 secured Peyton's place as one of the all time greats".....Dats just dumb, that was well established for several years now.

It's also stupid to compare Brady to Montana cuz their game is different and Montana didn't lose in SBs so I just don't see the comparison.

Fat Boy aint elite to me but okay whatever.....Eli and Flacco on the other hand, NOT ELITE, no way, no how. They're actually dudes who started out very average or bad even, developed into good QBs and then were fortunate enough to be on great teams that made some great runs, getting hot at the right time. But them dudes are just not the same animal and Brees Rodgers etc..

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

25. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati: Without A.J. Green, it’s doubtful anyone would know his name.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more...&post_id=12881

I would rank Dalton around middle of the pack but with the way he played late in the
season and specifically in the playoff game he deserves this. Hopefully this fires him up.

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

I would rank Dalton around middle of the pack but with the way he played late in the
season and specifically in the playoff game he deserves this. Hopefully this fires him up.

If this don't fire him up, nothing will.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by THEBURG

If this don't fire him up, nothing will.

True enough, this is pretty harsh.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

C'mon man...

You know you don't really think BJGE is the 12th best back in the league.

He was 12th in yardage because some teams split carries. We use a "bell cow".

He was 25th in yards per carry. That's probably closer to where he ranks among NFL RBs.

Originally Posted by BengalBuckeye

That stat is bs because we play 2 of the toughest D's against the run in the NFL 4 times a year. It also doesn't help when your passing game isn't up to par.

Umm...We face the Steelers twice. Still trying to figure out who the other "tough run D" is.

Certainly you don't mean the Ravens, who ranked 20th vs the run this year.

As for the passing game, these were Andy's rankings

Yards- 16th (Philip Rivers was 17th)
Completion %- 12th (Tom Brady was 11th)
Yards/attempt- 18th (Andrew Luck was 17th)
Passing TDs- 7th (between Romo and Eli)

I'd say our passing game was up to par.

Face it dude, Law Firm is average at best as a starter. Can you name 10 starters that are worse?

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

True enough, this is pretty harsh.

Yeah, I guess I will Let Andy rest, and move on to Rey M., give him a little fire.

[BengaliJack]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

I'm sorry, but that list loses all credibility by having Cam Newton at 9.

Thats the one that caught my eye immidiately as well. That list is a joke.....I was thinking Steven A might have made this one...but then again on his, Cam would have been number 1 or 2 with Vick right with him.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

Umm...We face the Steelers twice. Still trying to figure out who the other "tough run D" is.

Certainly you don't mean the Ravens, who ranked 20th vs the run this year.

As for the passing game, these were Andy's rankings

Yards- 16th (Philip Rivers was 17th)
Completion %- 12th (Tom Brady was 11th)
Yards/attempt- 18th (Andrew Luck was 17th)
Passing TDs- 7th (between Romo and Eli)

I'd say our passing game was up to par.

Face it dude, Law Firm is average at best as a starter. Can you name 10 starters that are worse?

10 worse than BJGE

1. Green Bay Packers RB's
2. Pittsburgh Steelers RB's
3. Michael Turner (this year)
4. Demarco Murray
5. Ahmad Bradshaw
6. Ryan Matthews
7. Willis McGahee
8. Shonn Greene
9. Donald Brown
10. Arizona Cardinals RB's

[DeyWho1972]

Originally Posted by McC

Oh, good. There can be another 20 page debate about Andy Dalton. Haven't had one of those in a long time.

The fact that this guy has written for the Turds for almost 20 years wouldn't suggest the least little bias, would it?

I'm shaking my head over the joy some people are taking in proclaiming our QB suxx and how they seems to absolutely revel in the fact that some guy agrees with them. I just don't get that. If our QB is no good, isn't that a bad thing for we fans? How could that possibly make anyone happy?

I'm not sure if he's the right guy or not. Right now, I think it's about 50/50. I sure as hell hope he is, since he's the guy right now. But even if I thought he sukked, there would be no joy involved.. None whatsoever.

Could someone please explain being happy about it? I would consider it my worst fear come true and nothing about it would make me happy. Is being right about an opinion more important than the state of the franchise? I just don't get it.

I have not posted since last April. I read down to your post and just had to agree with you.

I'm up in the air about Dalton right now. Until the second half of this last season, I saw no reason he wouldn't develope into that "game manager" type QB. You know, similar to Brees. Able to stand in the pocket, yet handy outside it as well. Smart decisions. Quick and accurate throws. Servicable arm strength. Hey, I was at six home games and watched every other game; and I watched him overthrow Green downfield more than once. The strength is there, it's the accuracy that's the issue IMO. That's something he can work on.

That said, he looked absoutly terriable down the stretch. AND I am not considering his numbers... Just his instincts and overall play on the field. He seemed to have no confidence in anything that they were doing. Missing wide open recievers downfield, NOT seeing wide open recievers downfield, jumpy and indecisive in the pocket. IMO, he just wasn't the Dalton we saw the first season and a half mentally. I HATE to say this, but he started to remind me of post knee injury Quitter.

I thought starting cook over Robinson was a mistake. BJGE did tear it up while cook was out, then nothing when he returns. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I'm not a coach or owner. Could have also had and impact on Dalton. IDK, I'm just saying...

Regardless, they have to get Dalton some more help. Green, no matter how good he is, is not enough. HAVE to have better run blocking from the line, better play from the backfield and another threat at WR#2. (leaving out TE play because you have to have a coaching staff that understands how to utilize TEs. In our current scheme, a TE is little more than an extra OL)

I was really disappointed with Daltons play the second half of the season, and to your point, more than a little worried. I remain so because your 100% right. If Dalton can't be the guy then we're up a s$#% creek. Believe that... Even a servicable QB is at a priemum in today's NFL, never mind a franchise QB.

It's hard to say why people are the way they are on these boards. It's the reason I post so rarely. A lot of garbage to sift through on here. It is what it is. They'll all be happy until they realize what's out there to replace Dalton with.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by DeyWho1972

I have not posted since last April. I read down to your post and just had to agree with you.

I'm up in the air about Dalton right now. Until the second half of this last season, I saw no reason he wouldn't develope into that "game manager" type QB. You know, similar to Brees. Able to stand in the pocket, yet handy outside it as well. Smart decisions. Quick and accurate throws. Servicable arm strength. Hey, I was at six home games and watched every other game; and I watched him overthrow Green downfield more than once. The strength is there, it's the accuracy that's the issue IMO. That's something he can work on.

That said, he looked absoutly terriable down the stretch. AND I am not considering his numbers... Just his instincts and overall play on the field. He seemed to have no confidence in anything that they were doing. Missing wide open recievers downfield, NOT seeing wide open recievers downfield, jumpy and indecisive in the pocket. IMO, he just wasn't the Dalton we saw the first season and a half mentally. I HATE to say this, but he started to remind me of post knee injury Quitter.

I thought starting cook over Robinson was a mistake. BJGE did tear it up while cook was out, then nothing when he returns. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I'm not a coach or owner. Could have also had and impact on Dalton. IDK, I'm just saying...

Regardless, they have to get Dalton some more help. Green, no matter how good he is, is not enough. HAVE to have better run blocking from the line, better play from the backfield and another threat at WR#2. (leaving out TE play because you have to have a coaching staff that understands how to utilize TEs. In our current scheme, a TE is little more than an extra OL)

I was really disappointed with Daltons play the second half of the season, and to your point, more than a little worried. I remain so because your 100% right. If Dalton can't be the guy then we're up a s$#% creek. Believe that... Even a servicable QB is at a priemum in today's NFL, never mind a franchise QB.

It's hard to say why people are the way they are on these boards. It's the reason I post so rarely. A lot of garbage to sift through on here. It is what it is. They'll all be happy until they realize what's out there to replace Dalton with.

You and McC are pretty much dead on with how i feel about things as well but don't just stop posting man.

Thats the problem, the idiots run off our good posters.

[BengalsRocker]

Originally Posted by DeyWho1972

I have not posted since last April. I read down to your post and just had to agree with you.

I'm up in the air about Dalton right now. Until the second half of this last season, I saw no reason he wouldn't develope into that "game manager" type QB. You know, similar to Brees. Able to stand in the pocket, yet handy outside it as well. Smart decisions. Quick and accurate throws. Servicable arm strength. Hey, I was at six home games and watched every other game; and I watched him overthrow Green downfield more than once. The strength is there, it's the accuracy that's the issue IMO. That's something he can work on.

That said, he looked absoutly terriable down the stretch. AND I am not considering his numbers... Just his instincts and overall play on the field. He seemed to have no confidence in anything that they were doing. Missing wide open recievers downfield, NOT seeing wide open recievers downfield, jumpy and indecisive in the pocket. IMO, he just wasn't the Dalton we saw the first season and a half mentally. I HATE to say this, but he started to remind me of post knee injury Quitter.

I thought starting cook over Robinson was a mistake. BJGE did tear it up while cook was out, then nothing when he returns. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I'm not a coach or owner. Could have also had and impact on Dalton. IDK, I'm just saying...

Regardless, they have to get Dalton some more help. Green, no matter how good he is, is not enough. HAVE to have better run blocking from the line, better play from the backfield and another threat at WR#2. (leaving out TE play because you have to have a coaching staff that understands how to utilize TEs. In our current scheme, a TE is little more than an extra OL)

I was really disappointed with Daltons play the second half of the season, and to your point, more than a little worried. I remain so because your 100% right. If Dalton can't be the guy then we're up a s$#% creek. Believe that... Even a servicable QB is at a priemum in today's NFL, never mind a franchise QB.

It's hard to say why people are the way they are on these boards. It's the reason I post so rarely. A lot of garbage to sift through on here. It is what it is. They'll all be happy until they realize what's out there to replace Dalton with.

Originally Posted by eliminate08

You and McC are pretty much dead on with how i feel about things as well but don't just stop posting man.

Thats the problem, the idiots run off our good posters.

I agree as well. We have to get a few more pieces and the right offensive scheme down.

As much as Dalton has struggled down the stretch so has the rest of the offense.

You get those things in order and then you'll know if he's truly "the guy".

Just as the team getting the right personnel in to find out if Gruden is "the guy" as well.

I'm on the fence on them both. Not being negative. Just need to see more.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Carolinabengalfanguy

10 worse than BJGE

1. Green Bay Packers RB's
2. Pittsburgh Steelers RB's
3. Michael Turner (this year)
4. Demarco Murray
5. Ahmad Bradshaw
6. Ryan Matthews
7. Willis McGahee
8. Shonn Greene
9. Donald Brown
10. Arizona Cardinals RB's

1. I would take a healthy Rashard Mendenhall over Law Firm any day. From 09-11, RM averaged 1100 yards, 10 scores and a 4.2 per carry average.

Btw, Mendenhall's replacements (Redman and Dwyer) combined for 1033 yards on 3.9 per carry. Almost identical production to BJGE.

4. Demarco Murray- Murray may be injury prone, but when he's playing he's better than BJGE. No doubt about that. He's averaged 4.8 per carry and has 61 catches in his first 2 seasons.

5. Ahmad Bradshaw- Had 1015 yards on 4.6 per carry last year. Also averages 4.6 for his career. Has averaged 35 catches in the last 3 seasons.

7. Willis McGahee- When healthy, he's clearly a more talented back. Averaged 4.4 per carry last season.

8. Shonn Greene- His 2012 stats were nearly identical to Law Firm's. 1063 yards (3.9 per carry), but he had 2 more rushing TDs and has a higher YPC for his career.

You got the Packers' RBs, Turner, Matthews, Brown and the Cards' RBs.

That's a grand total of 5 starting RBs that are worse than BJGE. If Beanie Wells weren't a walking cast, he'd be better than BJGE too.

Edit: I just checked the stats on Matthews, and changed my mind. I'd take him over BJGE too. He's a dual threat who's shown a lot of potential.

[Toast Jones]

Originally Posted by Carolinabengalfanguy

10 worse than BJGE

1. Green Bay Packers RB's
2. Pittsburgh Steelers RB's
3. Michael Turner (this year)
4. Demarco Murray
5. Ahmad Bradshaw
6. Ryan Matthews
7. Willis McGahee
8. Shonn Greene
9. Donald Brown
10. Arizona Cardinals RB's

1.) Yes.
2.) Tie
3.) No way. Turner even broken down and at his worst is a tie. Jaquizz Rodgers and Snelling are heads and shoulders better than the turds behind BGE. (Is this teams or players, I'm confused)
4.) Lol
5.) Lol
6.) Oh my f#%##$ God, are you kidding me? Mathews is an easy top 10 talent, just hindered an awful coach.
7.) Nope. McGahee had a great start, and played great last year as well. Backups better too.
8.) Slight edge to BGE. Maybe a tie. They're pretty similar backs.
9.) Yes.
10.) Probably a tie. Beanie Wells is as good as Ellis.

[Toast Jones]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

You got the Packers' RBs, Turner, Matthews, Brown and the Cards' RBs.

No way on Mathews. That guy is a beast, who just happened to have the misfortune to play for Norm Turner.

Averaged just under 5.0 a carry last season and had 50 catches. Had over 1500 yards from scrimmage on under 275 touches. Oh yeah, and then there's stuff like this:

Look at the speed on a 220 pound frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI2GJc8Pj3w

Look how easy he gets around the edge, with the nice hurdle: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...13-yard-TD-run

Just watch the block at the .:22 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ab8uSrVFs

Here's a basic highlight real. If you got a few minutes, look at some these cutbacks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNXRm5obuW4

Sorry, I'm a big fan of Mathews. Turner just completely ruined him this year.