Oher and Smith may be over rated. May want to draft down.

[kevin]

I saw Alabama play Missisppii this year and Oher didn't look that hot. I saw Smith get beat bad by Spikes in the Florida game. ....I don't see the next Munoz here........

.....I did see Oklahoma and heard the announcers raving about the Oklahoma offensive line and really noticed that center blowing the middle open.

....So I say lets keep an eye on Oklahomas big offensive linemen in the Championship Game and also look to see who Florida has.

....It could be that Smith and Oher are not the best or not that much better than the rest. It could be those hogs on Oklahoma and USC and Texas are better. .....

....It looks to me like there will be alot of offensive line talent in the first 2 or 3 rounds. It also looks to me that there are going to be teams wanting a Tebow or a Wells.....The Bengals may be wise to trade that high draft pick and trade down for more picks in the first 3 rounds. A lower 1st round pick and more 2nd and 3rd round picks. If the Bengals could get 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, we could use them because the Bengals stink. ......We could get that tackle and a center and a running back and a defensive lineman and still have a 5th pick to get another position. Plus our 4th round piick is going to be very high, so we could have 6 great picks and we need them.

....Oher and Smith don't look like the next Munoz to me and if we draft down and have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and a high 4th round pick, thats really what this 1 win football team needs, ALOT OF HELP EVERYWHERE.

[fatphil101]

So, you're going to go by one game and listen to a commentators comments to judge your prospects?

Yes, Smith got beat, but Spikes is one of the best LBs in the nation at timing the snap and has incredible speed to get around the corner. Not even Munoz could get out of his stance fast enough to stop Spikes. Oher had a great game against Alabama, so I don't know who you were watching.

The only Oklahoma lineman I'd take in the first three rounds is Duke Roinson, who's quite possibly the best G prospect since Hutchinson. Loadholt's extremely overrated as an T and has incredibly heavy feet... He's destined to be a G in the NFL.

Nobody's trading up to #2 to take Tebow or Wells. First, Tebow's not a very good NFL prospect. He's got a terrible ball and a horrendous release. That release problem caused Andre Woodson to fall like no other and could cause Tebow the same. Wells isn't worth the #2 pick and RB is in low-demand in the NFL right now.

[kevin]

You say Spikes of Florida is tough, but aren't most NFL defenders and aren't these big games the way you do judge if these hogs can block. What they do against NFL type talent. .....Also, I saw Munoz just blow Ohio State off the field in the 4th quarter of that Rose Bowl. When we drafted Munoz and Cleveland drafted the running back White, I knew we got the best player in the draft because Munoz just blew Ohio State 10 yards off the line the entire 4th quarter and that was a tough tough Buckeys defense in that Rose Bowl. .....I have yet to see any college offensive lineman show anything like that, BUT...the BOWL GAMES may just show that type of lineman.......The Bengals need blocking and they should be scouting all the Bowl Games for those offensive linemen that turn in Munoz like games.

....and yes, I'll listen to these announcers. These were very good announcers doing these games yesterday. They have seen these teams and players more than you or I have and probably more than the Bengals limited scouting staff has. These are the John Maddens of college football, so why wouldn't I listen to their opinions.....and I'm certainly interested in Archie Mannings opinion of Tebow. I'll take Mannings opinion over yours or mine or the guy that does the Drugstore List.........So watch Tebow in that Championship Game but Bengals may want to be scouting those Oklahoma hogs, expecially that center that the announcers rave about. WE need a good center, but I'ld like to see us get a center with our 2nd or 3rd pick, not our first. ....Bengals have drafted well after th first round with Oklahoma players and these Oklahoma guys are usually hard nosed tough players. The Bengals aren't tough enough, so we could use some Oklahoma or Texas types.

[goalpost]

Spikes beat Smith, really just on the one play. If ever there was an obvious pass
play coming, that was the one, where Spikes could let loose. Spikes was
impressive there, no doubt, but the rest of the day Smith played him well,
I thought.

[mikedamadmanmadden]

I think we should look into Phil Loadholt from Oklahoma. Teammates called him a "refrigerator that can block and flatten people"

[Bengal Dude]

If we pass on Oher and/or Smith. Then it'll be another long season.

[Bech72]

You're writing off a guy for getting beat on one play? Spikes didn't own him on the day and if you watched more than one of his games you would see that he has dominated everyone he has faced. I haven't watched enough of Oher to have a complete informed opinion; and it's quite obvious that you haven't seen enough of Smith. Smith is a slam dunk if he is still there at #2; I know Detroit needs a QB; but they could follow Miami's lead and tab a 10 year LT at #1; unless of course Bradford declares.

As far as Oklahoma's big 2; it would be amazing if Robinson fell into 2; but I highly doubt that will happen. He is the best guard in the past 5 drafts or so. Loadholt looks like he could develop into a great RT and if he would slide into 3 he wouldn't be a bad pick up.

[austrianpine]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

If we pass on Oher and/or Smith. Then it'll be another long season.

Agree, considering the FACT that we need O-line help more than a fish needs water, it does not matter whether we draft Oher or Smith, as long as we get one of the two. If not, like you said - a long, long season ahead of us.

[kevin]

and yet none of you seem to know that Oklahoma has a great center....and we need a center..

.....Again, Smith and Oher ned to show us more, much more........Lets watch the Bowl Games and if they don't do more, much more, much much more....then trade DOWN for more picks.

Oh, THe BENGALS lost again today......I took the wife Christamas shopping because the injury racked Bengals probably won't win another game this year.

[CloeHokie]

Trading down is not an easy thing to do these days. At least from a top 3 spot. Teams dont want to pay the top 3 contracts.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by kevin

and yet none of you seem to know that Oklahoma has a great center....and we need a center..

.....Again, Smith and Oher ned to show us more, much more........Lets watch the Bowl Games and if they don't do more, much more, much much more....then trade DOWN for more picks.

Oh, THe BENGALS lost again today......I took the wife Christamas shopping because the injury racked Bengals probably won't win another game this year.

You make it sound like trading down is a piece of cake. No one wants a top 5 pick and most likely the #2 overall pick that we'll have.

[CloeHokie]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

You make it sound like trading down is a piece of cake. No one wants a top 5 pick and most likely the #2 overall pick that we'll have.

I said it first. :p

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

I said it first. :p

I went more specific with the #2 overall pick.:p

[far away bengal]

Originally Posted by kevin

I saw Alabama play Missisppii this year and Oher didn't look that hot. I saw Smith get beat bad by Spikes in the Florida game. ....I don't see the next Munoz here........

.....I did see Oklahoma and heard the announcers raving about the Oklahoma offensive line and really noticed that center blowing the middle open.

....So I say lets keep an eye on Oklahomas big offensive linemen in the Championship Game and also look to see who Florida has.

....It could be that Smith and Oher are not the best or not that much better than the rest. It could be those hogs on Oklahoma and USC and Texas are better. .....

....It looks to me like there will be alot of offensive line talent in the first 2 or 3 rounds. It also looks to me that there are going to be teams wanting a Tebow or a Wells.....The Bengals may be wise to trade that high draft pick and trade down for more picks in the first 3 rounds. A lower 1st round pick and more 2nd and 3rd round picks. If the Bengals could get 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, we could use them because the Bengals stink. ......We could get that tackle and a center and a running back and a defensive lineman and still have a 5th pick to get another position. Plus our 4th round piick is going to be very high, so we could have 6 great picks and we need them.

....Oher and Smith don't look like the next Munoz to me and if we draft down and have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and a high 4th round pick, thats really what this 1 win football team needs, ALOT OF HELP EVERYWHERE.

I'm not totally sure that Oher and Smith aren't as good as advertised, but I do agree that we don't need them to turn this franchise around.

Yes Stacy hasn't been really good, but our biggest problem is obviously center. So it doesn't matter if we land Oher or Smith, if Ghiaciuc stays, we will have the same problems.

The other one who's having a lot of trouble is Levi, because of injuries, I believe. And yes I know Oher and Smith play LT, but I think we might be set for years to come with Collins.

All of this being said, no, we don't need an OT in the first. This draft is full with talented O linemen....even center.

I agree that trading down might be the best option here. Get another 2nd rd pick and use it on Mack or Luigs. Or even Caldwell in the 3rd. Use the 1st rd pick on Duke Robinson and move Whit to RT. Or sign a veteran RT (Colombo, please) and use the 1st pick on a pass rusher (Johnson, Orakpo, Selvie....whoever is available).

We can even draft Aaron Curry in the first ( 20 something pick).....I'll love to see a LBs corps with Brandon, Rivers and Curry(I think he can be some kind of Ray Lewis).

Cushing is also an option if their planning on changing to 3-4.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

Trading down is not an easy thing to do these days. At least from a top 3 spot. Teams dont want to pay the top 3 contracts.

Sure they do.....what are you talking about ?.........Bengals could have traded down for all the New Orleans picks but we JUST HAD TO HAVE Akili Smith......I'm saying don't get locked in on a player unless he is the next Munoz or somethiing. You think teams wouldn't want to move up and trade of to get our top pick.....You don't watch the draft much because it happens every year......San Francisco use to be the masters at trading down for more picks which added up to more wins for Frisco.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by kevin

Sure they do.....what are you talking about ?.........Bengals could have traded down for all the New Orleans picks but we JUST HAD TO HAVE Akili Smith......I'm saying don't get locked in on a player unless he is the next Munoz or somethiing. You think teams wouldn't want to move up and trade of to get our top pick.....You don't watch the draft much because it happens every year......San Francisco use to be the masters at trading down for more picks which added up to more wins for Frisco.

That was then. There hasn't been a top 5 trade since 2003. You must not watch the draft much.

[CloeHokie]

Originally Posted by kevin

Sure they do.....what are you talking about ?.........Bengals could have traded down for all the New Orleans picks but we JUST HAD TO HAVE Akili Smith......I'm saying don't get locked in on a player unless he is the next Munoz or somethiing. You think teams wouldn't want to move up and trade of to get our top pick.....You don't watch the draft much because it happens every year......San Francisco use to be the masters at trading down for more picks which added up to more wins for Frisco.

I watch the draft every year. Teams dont trade down out of the top 3 very often. Why didnt the Saints end up trading with ATL or Oak?

[far away bengal]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

That was then. There hasn't been a top 5 trade since 2003. You must not watch the draft much.

I know it was after getting drafted, but San Diego traded the 1st overall pick ( Eli ).

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by far away bengal

I know it was after getting drafted, but San Diego traded the 1st overall pick ( Eli ).

That's was 1st and 4th overall picks. They swapped players, didn't really trade down.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

I watch the draft every year. Teams dont trade down out of the top 3 very often. Why didnt the Saints end up trading with ATL or Oak?

Teams would love to trade up......and one player is NOT going to turn the Bungles around, even if he is another Akili Smith.

[CloeHokie]

Originally Posted by kevin

Teams would love to trade up......and one player is NOT going to turn the Bungles around, even if he is another Akili Smith.

I agree 100%. Just pointing out that trading down is not an auotomatic thing. The contracts for those spots have gotten way out of hand the last 5 years. No one wants to trade up that high because teams want so much and the player wants to get paid way too much.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by kevin

Teams would love to trade up......and one player is NOT going to turn the Bungles around, even if he is another Akili Smith.

What team wants to trade up and pay $60+ million?

[kevin]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

I agree 100%. Just pointing out that trading down is not an auotomatic thing. The contracts for those spots have gotten way out of hand the last 5 years. No one wants to trade up that high because teams want so much and the player wants to get paid way too much.

Look, not everybody is as CHEAP as Mike Brown...OK.....Alot of good teams would trade up and pay the guy......Case in point, Mike Brown was about the last owner to sign his 2008 draft pick going into preseason---NUFF SAID.

[CloeHokie]

Originally Posted by kevin

Look, not everybody is as CHEAP as Mike Brown...OK.....Alot of good teams would trade up and pay the guy......Case in point, Mike Brown was about the last owner to sign his 2008 draft pick going into preseason---NUFF SAID.

Ugh. Then Why didnt NO trade up with OAK or STL? They wanted Ellis. Got on the phone and tried to get a trade with both. Both wanted to much to trade down. It didnt happen and they traded up with NE at 7 because that does happen. Teams want way too much for the top 5 picks. It just doesnt happen that often. I am not against the idea. Just letting you know that its not an easy thing to do.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by kevin

Look, not everybody is as CHEAP as Mike Brown...OK.....Alot of good teams would trade up and pay the guy......Case in point, Mike Brown was about the last owner to sign his 2008 draft pick going into preseason---NUFF SAID.

Except that there's still agents. Agents will use that "rookie salary cap" line to try and get more money. Plus the only teams that traded up into the top 10 went through some bad holdouts themselves. Agents use the trade up as another reason to get more money.