Just wondering why most call out Chad?

[ochocinco=cincy]

I had never been to a game and all I have heard is how Chad can't run routes and how he doesn't play the game hard. I figured I was missing something by watching it on TV and didn't get the full picture. However, I went to my first game over the weekend and thought he played extremely hard. It pretty much was exactly what I was seeing on TV. Chad would run a good route and be open, only to see Fitz throw over his head or already dump it to his check down. Chad ran a good pattern over the middle and took a big hit, bounced back up and let the defender know exactly how he felt about the hit. To say the least I was impressed with my first game. Maybe this was a fluke and not his true character, guess I'll have to go to a couple more games to find out for sure.

[GreenDragon]

Maybe Chad's finally trying to show the fans that he gives a rat's ...

[Bech72]

People aren't as ****** about Chad's production as they are about his attitude. He did a lot last off season to kill his relationship with the fans and since he is having an uncharacteristically down season everyone hates him now. But anyone who says he isn't a good route runner is mental. Chad has been injured so I'll give him a bit of a pass on his not making circus catches that require him to come down on that bad shoulder. But I think that Chad now has a new appreciation for getting to play with a QB like Palmer and that he will play out his contract here.

[The Bengal Thing]

Originally Posted by ochocinco=cincy

I had never been to a game and all I have heard is how Chad can't run routes and how he doesn't play the game hard. I figured I was missing something by watching it on TV and didn't get the full picture. However, I went to my first game over the weekend and thought he played extremely hard. It pretty much was exactly what I was seeing on TV. Chad would run a good route and be open, only to see Fitz throw over his head or already dump it to his check down. Chad ran a good pattern over the middle and took a big hit, bounced back up and let the defender know exactly how he felt about the hit. To say the least I was impressed with my first game. Maybe this was a fluke and not his true character, guess I'll have to go to a couple more games to find out for sure.

Chad even addressed it in a article on the main page.... says this was the first games he actually played "physical"

[GodFather07]

I think when your as outspoken and over the top as Chad is your going to get blasted when things arent going well and ham it up when they are.

Chad chose this public persona and now has to deal with the bad thrown his way just like eating everything up when things were good.

[ochocinco=cincy]

Originally Posted by The Bengal Thing

Chad even addressed it in a article on the main page.... says this was the first games he actually played "physical"

Ok, that helps a lot because I really tried to pay close attention and I figured it was a fluke since the majority says that he usually plays soft. I know it is hard to tell as much on TV.

[heshimu]

There alot of reasons that people do not like Chad or complain about him etc. Some good - some petty.

My feeling is that we (the fans) have been conditioned by the media, talk radio, ESPN and on and on that anytime an athlete says anything negative to the public (no matter how harmless or whether its true) that we should automatically chastise them and turn them into villians. I pay very little attention to what players say or do. All I care about is that they are on the field and produce. I watch sports to be entertained and not to get personal with athletes that I will probably never hang out with.

[tlotharw]

Originally Posted by Bech72

People aren't as ****** about Chad's production as they are about his attitude. He did a lot last off season to kill his relationship with the fans and since he is having an uncharacteristically down season everyone hates him now. But anyone who says he isn't a good route runner is mental. Chad has been injured so I'll give him a bit of a pass on his not making circus catches that require him to come down on that bad shoulder. But I think that Chad now has a new appreciation for getting to play with a QB like Palmer and that he will play out his contract here.

Agreed. His attitude. The unsportsmanlike call that came during a critical part of the Washington game is an indication that he is so completely self-centered that it would be foolish to count on him in high-pressure game situations.

In the first half, it seemed obvious that Chad was running routes that Fitzpatrick was not expecting him to run. Fitzpatrick is not a great QB, but I will put my money on him knowing what routes should be run for a certain play. Its not that Chad runs bad routes, it is that he runs the wrong routes.

From what I witnessed, Washington consistently single-covered him and he was unable to get open, especially deep. I would love to find out where Chad ranks in average YAC. I have to think that has to be near the bottom of the league. I could be wrong. Catch and drop to the ground is his MO ever since Bryant Russell did him in during the 2006 season.

I am from the "Anybody-but-Chad" faction. I have been there since he began to consistently rack up 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalties when he would occasionally score. I hope they trade him as soon as the season is over.

[drixp]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

The unsportsmanlike call that came during a critical part of the Washington game is an indication that he is so completely self-centered that it would be foolish to count on him in high-pressure game situations.

Can you honestly say that you knew that was an illegal action? I was running out of bounds, he saw Portis (his friend off the field) and handed the ball off to him. Portis laughed about it. It was a horrible call and really a stupid action on Chad's part. But get some sense! That has nothing to do with counting on Chad in high-pressure situations. When the game is on the line and we need yards, Chad's the best bet to get them on our roster.

[rotobeast]

Originally Posted by drixp

Can you honestly say that you knew that was an illegal action? I was running out of bounds, he saw Portis (his friend off the field) and handed the ball off to him. Portis laughed about it. It was a horrible call and really a stupid action on Chad's part. But get some sense! That has nothing to do with counting on Chad in high-pressure situations. When the game is on the line and we need yards, Chad's the best bet to get them on our roster.

Chad ??

[WHO_DEY_51]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

Agreed. His attitude. The unsportsmanlike call that came during a critical part of the Washington game is an indication that he is so completely self-centered that it would be foolish to count on him in high-pressure game situations.

In the first half, it seemed obvious that Chad was running routes that Fitzpatrick was not expecting him to run. Fitzpatrick is not a great QB, but I will put my money on him knowing what routes should be run for a certain play. Its not that Chad runs bad routes, it is that he runs the wrong routes.

From what I witnessed, Washington consistently single-covered him and he was unable to get open, especially deep. I would love to find out where Chad ranks in average YAC. I have to think that has to be near the bottom of the league. I could be wrong. Catch and drop to the ground is his MO ever since Bryant Russell did him in during the 2006 season.
I am from the "Anybody-but-Chad" faction. I have been there since he began to consistently rack up 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalties when he would occasionally score. I hope they trade him as soon as the season is over.

Well, that just tells me you know nothing about Chad and that what comes out of your mouth is a bunch of BS.

Because, if you knew anything about Chad you would know that he always "hits the turf". He was doing it way before the Bryan Russel hit. (He only got hit because he wasn't being selfish.) (For all the people that claim he is selfish and yet everytime he gets hurt, it is because he isn't selfish.) But anyway. If you would understand that Chad weight 185lbs. How many good receivers that weigh that much take consistant hits? None. And if they do, they will be hurt. (Reason why teams don't draft running backs weighing 185lb until late) Go back and watch the film on Chad Johnson. Most of the time, when he going to get hit, he will twist his body to absorb the contact.

About the yac. Yea they are down like every other number. You see his yac comes from his streaks or posts.

[Luigi]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

From what I witnessed, Washington consistently single-covered him and he was unable to get open, especially deep. I would love to find out where Chad ranks in average YAC. I have to think that has to be near the bottom of the league. I could be wrong. Catch and drop to the ground is his MO ever since Bryant Russell did him in during the 2006 season.

I dont think thats a bad thing. YAC is wonderful, great, but you cant expect it. Thats part of Brat's problem, is he expects it too much (oh, 3rd and 15, well we only need our WRs to run 8yd routes). And how many times have you seen someone fight for that one extra year too much and fumble? TJ is normally running the shorter routes, so he is fighting for 1st downs more (and he is better at getting YAC than Chad) but Chad is normally deeper, makes the catch and secures the ball, I dont see a problem.

[ODRAB14]

If you want to talk trash you better be able to take the heat. I for one was a huge Chad fan I am still am a bit but his antics this offseason really turned me away. I do credit him him with giving this organization some swagger. I thinka turning point to the 8-8, 7-9 and such was when he guranteed the KC win when they were undefeated. However, I am not sure he is the same player. The league has adapted to the "X" receover built soley on speed. Steve Smith has become a complete receiver while Chad is just the outside speed guy. Now this may be a combination of bad coaching (not putting him in motion, not lining him up inside and such) but it also has to fall on the player. I really do think the Bengals missed the boat by not trading him but I can see why they didnt because they would have to answer to every player who wanted out. Now we have to ask, would we really be losing that much if he was gone

[Waynesboro KennyG]

Chad asks for the attention.

I do think it's a shame we waste him with a qb that can't even get the ball to him though.

[ochocinco=cincy]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

From what I witnessed, Washington consistently single-covered him and he was unable to get open, especially deep. I would love to find out where Chad ranks in average YAC. I have to think that has to be near the bottom of the league. I could be wrong. Catch and drop to the ground is his MO ever since Bryant Russell did him in during the 2006 season.

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You want to know somebody that made a career on catch and drop......Marvin Harrison. WRs probably take the biggest hits I've seen next to QBs. Chad has taken some big hits in his career much like the one in the game Sunday. So, honestly I call bs on that arguement.

I saw Chad run a couple nice routes that Fitz a) airmailed Chad or b) had already checked it down to Benson.

This was my first game and I seriously expected to see Chad cash it in and not give any effort like everyone said. However, I think he played as hard or harder than anybody else on the field. Like I said maybe this was a fluke since this was my first game and we got a fluke win. But I was really proud of all our players. Benson, Peko, and Crocker really stood out to me. The only part I was unimpressed with was our ST and TJ who has been dropping easy passes like crazy the last couple games and I saw a couple this game to.

[Bech72]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

Agreed. His attitude. The unsportsmanlike call that came during a critical part of the Washington game is an indication that he is so completely self-centered that it would be foolish to count on him in high-pressure game situations.

In the first half, it seemed obvious that Chad was running routes that Fitzpatrick was not expecting him to run. Fitzpatrick is not a great QB, but I will put my money on him knowing what routes should be run for a certain play. Its not that Chad runs bad routes, it is that he runs the wrong routes.

From what I witnessed, Washington consistently single-covered him and he was unable to get open, especially deep. I would love to find out where Chad ranks in average YAC. I have to think that has to be near the bottom of the league. I could be wrong. Catch and drop to the ground is his MO ever since Bryant Russell did him in during the 2006 season.

I am from the "Anybody-but-Chad" faction. I have been there since he began to consistently rack up 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalties when he would occasionally score. I hope they trade him as soon as the season is over.

It's not that Chad runs the wrong routes; he is experienced enough to know when to adapt his route to what is happening in front of him. This works with Palmer on the field due to their great rapport; he doesn't have that with Fitz. As far as the unsportsmanlike call on Sunday; from what I have read he is really good friends with Portis and what he did wasn't malicious, it was in fun. Admittedly it was not at a good time, but it isn't any different than earlier in the season when a guy (I forget who) was run out of bounds near him and he snatched the ball out of the guys hand. He has fun on the field and sometimes that draws penalties; many WRs get flagged and fined for TD celebrations. As far as him going down; he only does that when he is coming over the middle and in all honesty at his size it will more than likely prolong his career. Chad is a great WR and anyone who wants him out is crazy, he will be hard to replace. Very much one of those cases that you don't know what you have until it is gone.

[tlotharw]

Originally Posted by WHO_DEY_51

Well, that just tells me you know nothing about Chad and that what comes out of your mouth is a bunch of BS.

Because, if you knew anything about Chad you would know that he always "hits the turf". He was doing it way before the Bryan Russel hit. (He only got hit because he wasn't being selfish.) (For all the people that claim he is selfish and yet everytime he gets hurt, it is because he isn't selfish.) But anyway. If you would understand that Chad weight 185lbs. How many good receivers that weigh that much take consistant hits? None. And if they do, they will be hurt. (Reason why teams don't draft running backs weighing 185lb until late) Go back and watch the film on Chad Johnson. Most of the time, when he going to get hit, he will twist his body to absorb the contact.

About the yac. Yea they are down like every other number. You see his yac comes from his streaks or posts.

Steve Smith weighs 185, Chad weighs 192. Smith is tough, Chad isn't. Jerry Rice played at 196. Rice went over the middle for his entire career. But it is really not fair to compare Chad to one of the greatest ever.

I am convinced that Bryant Russell's hit started Chad's downward trajectory and it will only get worse. I could be wrong, but he hasn't done anything to dissuade me.

Chad's presence on this team will result in a continued lack of team cohesiveness. He is the Bengal's Ken Griffey Jr.

I hope you learn the difference between typing and talking, it will make your insults that much more incisive.

[ochocinco=cincy]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

Steve Smith weighs 185, Chad weighs 192. Smith is tough, Chad isn't. Jerry Rice played at 196. Rice went over the middle for his entire career. But it is really not fair to compare Chad to one of the greatest ever.

I am convinced that Bryant Russell's hit started Chad's downward trajectory and it will only get worse. I could be wrong, but he hasn't done anything to dissuade me.

Chad's presence on this team will result in a continued lack of team cohesiveness. He is the Bengal's Ken Griffey Jr.

I hope you learn the difference between typing and talking, it will make your insults that much more incisive.

Just wondering if you looked at the stats before you decided to compare Chad to Steve Smith because I'm sure you probably didn't realize that Chad has had a better career to this point and to be honest with Carson playing it would be even further apart. Jerry Rice is clearly the best receiver ever so he is clearly a league apart.

Chad Steve Jerry(first 8 sea.)
REC 612 501 610
Yards 8,905 7,167 9,372
YPG 73.6 68.9 too much math
YPC 14.6 14.3 too much math
TD 53 43 108
20+ 115 103 couldn't find
40+ 35 28 couldn't find
Fum 5 6 couldn't find

[Magikod]

You have to consider what he did in the offseason before everyone blames chad. he set himself up for it

[a6pk2go]

I think Joe from Florence really likes him and has him over for dinner a couple of times a week. I may be wrong about this but Joe is such a nice man I can see that happening myself.

[WHO_DEY_51]

Originally Posted by tlotharw

Steve Smith weighs 185, Chad weighs 192. Smith is tough, Chad isn't. Jerry Rice played at 196. Rice went over the middle for his entire career. But it is really not fair to compare Chad to one of the greatest ever.

I am convinced that Bryant Russell's hit started Chad's downward trajectory and it will only get worse. I could be wrong, but he hasn't done anything to dissuade me.

Chad's presence on this team will result in a continued lack of team cohesiveness. He is the Bengal's Ken Griffey Jr.

I hope you learn the difference between typing and talking, it will make your insults that much more incisive.

How many games has Steve Smith missed do to injury?
How many games has Chad Johnson missed do to injury after breaking his clavical bone?

By the way, you brought up brought up two recievers. There are more than two other recievers weighing less than 200lbs beside Chad, Jerry, and Steve. And how many of them play a full sixteen game schedule. Chad has played in all 16 games (barring his rookie year). You going to tell me that 4 years ago you weren't worried every time Chad got hit. That if he were to suffer an injury the offense would be screwed. You were hear 4 years ago, right?

I wasn't really throwing insults, but i hate when people talk **** about nothing they know about. By saying that Chad "hits the turf" after the Bryan Russel hit is actually false because he done it way before that hit. Maybe, you could say breaking his clavical is what caused him to "hit the turf", but not the Russel hit.

So, like i said, "What you are saying is a bunch of BS."

[Joe from Florence]

Originally Posted by ochocinco=cincy

I had never been to a game and all I have heard is how Chad can't run routes and how he doesn't play the game hard. I figured I was missing something by watching it on TV and didn't get the full picture. However, I went to my first game over the weekend and thought he played extremely hard. It pretty much was exactly what I was seeing on TV. Chad would run a good route and be open, only to see Fitz throw over his head or already dump it to his check down. Chad ran a good pattern over the middle and took a big hit, bounced back up and let the defender know exactly how he felt about the hit. To say the least I was impressed with my first game. Maybe this was a fluke and not his true character, guess I'll have to go to a couple more games to find out for sure.

so I see your weekly chad is great thread has been made for this week.

glad your keeping up with your average on this topic.

[Joe from Florence]

Originally Posted by a6pk2go

I think Joe from Florence really likes him and has him over for dinner a couple of times a week. I may be wrong about this but Joe is such a nice man I can see that happening myself.

Actually I do, but I make him cook and then do the dishes afterwards. He also has to sit at the kids table while the adults eat in the dinning room.

[ochocinco=cincy]

Originally Posted by Joe from Florence

so I see your weekly chad is great thread has been made for this week.

glad your keeping up with your average on this topic.

You told me to go to a game to see how he didn't try and put forth effort. However, Chad proved your [b}******* wrong[/b]. I really thought I was going to see him lay down, like you said, but apparently you are just a cynical little man that always thinks people are incapable of good.

You can hate the guy because you don't like his personality or just because the media tells you to. You can't put him down on the field because the guy wants to win.

[hairdo]

Originally Posted by ochocinco=cincy

I had never been to a game and all I have heard is how Chad can't run routes and how he doesn't play the game hard. I figured I was missing something by watching it on TV and didn't get the full picture. However, I went to my first game over the weekend and thought he played extremely hard. It pretty much was exactly what I was seeing on TV. Chad would run a good route and be open, only to see Fitz throw over his head or already dump it to his check down. Chad ran a good pattern over the middle and took a big hit, bounced back up and let the defender know exactly how he felt about the hit. To say the least I was impressed with my first game. Maybe this was a fluke and not his true character, guess I'll have to go to a couple more games to find out for sure.

CAUSE he,s nothing but a thorn in the side of marvin and whole team , he short arms , gets and jaw,s after every hit . just pushes limit on every thing that's wrong . very self centered player . he is a distraction , point BLANK. i truly believe marv would like to part ways with mister I .