2009 may be the last year I am a bengals fan...

[Whodey777]

I cant even believe im about to say this, because I know alot of fans on here will rip me apart, but honestly if the bengals have another season with 7 wins or less, and the entire coaching staff (besides zimmer) isnt replaced, I will cease to be a fan of this team. The bengals refuse to do anything to further better themselves, and are ******* away a great oppritunity to be a playoff contender with a great franchise quarterback, and the clock looks like it has ticked away with the apparent departure of TJ and chad. Quite frankly im sick of the apparent lack of desire to win. I remember phil savage, when I lived in cleveland, once said "Its not like theres some big conspiracy here, we're trying to put together a winning football team, we're trying to do everything we need to do to get the cleveland browns to the playoffs. We arent intending to lose games, but when you take over a team that has so few pieces in place it often takes awhile to get those pieces into place" (not an exact quote, but that was the jist of it) See, the browns are by no means a role model whatsoever, but they still stressed to the public they are trying to win. Cincinnati doesnt even do that, they just tell us we have to get back to fundamentals. Well fundamentals dont win football games (alone), great coaches who think of new inventive and great ways to innovate win football games. Guys who dont complain, do their job, and buy into a system of success win football games. It all starts up front, up top. It all boils down to does this franchise show by example, excellence. And the bottom line is they dont. Kraft (patriots owner) made a huge deal about changing the way the patriots operated. From top to bottom, he expects nothing short of excellence. And he gets it, because guys who dont perform at 110% all the time, well they dont make it in new england. If the bengals fail once again, I will refuse to follow another team, atleast for a few years. Hell I might even choose one that isnt completely idiotic in the front office, or if mike brown dies or resigns I will cease my NFL-watching exile.

Here is also a list of excuses im not going to let the bengals pull on me again next year, god damnt if its broke fix it!

1.)Injuries
I dont give a **** who is injured, for how long, or why. This is such a cop-out for this team, its always blamed on injuries. Well train your players better and you wont have half of ur god damn roster on IR. hire a new training staff mike, employ a team to work on JUST this problem alone and fix it. And god help me, if carson is out next year due to an injured elbow in his throwing arm, thats the moment I cease to be a bengals fan,
2.)Young team
A young team should be an advantage, and if you draft right you're young players make a great impact in year one. We drafted odell thurman and chris henry, and that year we went to the playoffs. granted they later had character issues, but reguardless, there's talent out there, and ya better find it mikey boy.
3.)Bad coaching
Fix a problem before it blows up in your face, not after. Well its allready blown up and he hasnt made the moves to fix it. (mike brown that is)
4.)Character issues resulting in players suspended
I dont care if we lose our running game because benson gets in trouble (although I think we're safe with him) or we lose our deep threat because henry messes up yet again, I dont care what the hell the excuse it, because im done with relying on those guys. Those are guys ya have backups for, so they are expendable and they know it. If ya cant draft guys who arent complete morons, well then thats your fault once again mike brown
5.) Lack of impact free agent(s)
Whether or not its paying a backup RE like odom starter money, getting a backup TE like utecht, or whatever the excuse. The free agent market is another area the bengals refuse to ever succeed in, and its friggin sickening. Good teams build through the draft, true, but good teams also dont refuse to EVER make a good trade, or EVER sign a free agent. The reason the patriots succeed every year is they find their voids and fill them well, and although its easier for a team with success to do that, there's still no excuse why the bengals shouldnt be able to obtain atleast 1 impact free agent on both sides of the ball.

[The Chosen One]

Believe me, i feel your pain.

[Whodey777]

Originally Posted by The Chosen One

Believe me, i feel your pain.

I know, it *****, but it would be the same to being that girl who lets her man beat on her, but refuses to leave because "she loves him" Just sick of the abuse honestly

[The Chosen One]

Yeah i know what you mean, i have a feeling that ALOT of Bengal fans will be giving up on this team after this year, i mean how can you not even make the slightest of changes when you have only 4 wins???

[Whodey777]

Originally Posted by The Chosen One

Yeah i know what you mean, i have a feeling that ALOT of Bengal fans will be giving up on this team after this year, i mean how can you not even make the slightest of changes when you have only 4 wins???

2 words : Mike..... Brown
FAIL

[The Chosen One]

Originally Posted by Whodey777

2 words : Mike..... Brown
FAIL

BINGO!!!

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

But I love the BengalsI cant leave them

[fearthesweatervest]

I'll never start following another team, but I stopped caring this year. It was so much better. I didn't get mad when Larson punted the ball 15 yards, Chrissy Perry fumbled, or Chad dropped a wide open catch. I laughed instead. I only watched the games when I had nothing else to do or felt like getting in some good laughter.

[BengirlVal]

I think everyone feels your pain. Like the last poster stated, I think we stopped caring if they won or lost. It didn't matter after a certain point in the season anyway. It was nice not be be screaming at the TV when they were stinking it up. But that doesn't mean I will quit being a fan. I will always be a fan and won't root for any other team. Well unless they are playing in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.

[Carl Spackler]

http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=47

[Joe from Florence]

I could never blame or be angry at anyone who feels it is time to move on.
This team makes it very very hard to take seriously, after years of dissapointment i would never hold it against anyone for switching team alliances.

how can anyone blame anyone for leaving this team in their tracks.....unfortunatley it's too late for me.....i'll just pass away never seeing a SB win and leave it to my son to try and bring home a winner.

[dirtyfan]

see-ya, go root for the steelers. they always need more band wagon jumpers

[Carson4mvp]

Originally Posted by Whodey777

I cant even believe im about to say this, because I know alot of fans on here will rip me apart, but honestly if the bengals have another season with 7 wins or less, and the entire coaching staff (besides zimmer) isnt replaced, I will cease to be a fan of this team. The bengals refuse to do anything to further better themselves, and are ******* away a great oppritunity to be a playoff contender with a great franchise quarterback, and the clock looks like it has ticked away with the apparent departure of TJ and chad. Quite frankly im sick of the apparent lack of desire to win. I remember phil savage, when I lived in cleveland, once said "Its not like theres some big conspiracy here, we're trying to put together a winning football team, we're trying to do everything we need to do to get the cleveland browns to the playoffs. We arent intending to lose games, but when you take over a team that has so few pieces in place it often takes awhile to get those pieces into place" (not an exact quote, but that was the jist of it) See, the browns are by no means a role model whatsoever, but they still stressed to the public they are trying to win. Cincinnati doesnt even do that, they just tell us we have to get back to fundamentals. Well fundamentals dont win football games (alone), great coaches who think of new inventive and great ways to innovate win football games. Guys who dont complain, do their job, and buy into a system of success win football games. It all starts up front, up top. It all boils down to does this franchise show by example, excellence. And the bottom line is they dont. Kraft (patriots owner) made a huge deal about changing the way the patriots operated. From top to bottom, he expects nothing short of excellence. And he gets it, because guys who dont perform at 110% all the time, well they dont make it in new england. If the bengals fail once again, I will refuse to follow another team, atleast for a few years. Hell I might even choose one that isnt completely idiotic in the front office, or if mike brown dies or resigns I will cease my NFL-watching exile.

Here is also a list of excuses im not going to let the bengals pull on me again next year, god damnt if its broke fix it!

1.)Injuries
I dont give a **** who is injured, for how long, or why. This is such a cop-out for this team, its always blamed on injuries. Well train your players better and you wont have half of ur god damn roster on IR. hire a new training staff mike, employ a team to work on JUST this problem alone and fix it. And god help me, if carson is out next year due to an injured elbow in his throwing arm, thats the moment I cease to be a bengals fan,
2.)Young team
A young team should be an advantage, and if you draft right you're young players make a great impact in year one. We drafted odell thurman and chris henry, and that year we went to the playoffs. granted they later had character issues, but reguardless, there's talent out there, and ya better find it mikey boy.
3.)Bad coaching
Fix a problem before it blows up in your face, not after. Well its allready blown up and he hasnt made the moves to fix it. (mike brown that is)
4.)Character issues resulting in players suspended
I dont care if we lose our running game because benson gets in trouble (although I think we're safe with him) or we lose our deep threat because henry messes up yet again, I dont care what the hell the excuse it, because im done with relying on those guys. Those are guys ya have backups for, so they are expendable and they know it. If ya cant draft guys who arent complete morons, well then thats your fault once again mike brown
5.) Lack of impact free agent(s)
Whether or not its paying a backup RE like odom starter money, getting a backup TE like utecht, or whatever the excuse. The free agent market is another area the bengals refuse to ever succeed in, and its friggin sickening. Good teams build through the draft, true, but good teams also dont refuse to EVER make a good trade, or EVER sign a free agent. The reason the patriots succeed every year is they find their voids and fill them well, and although its easier for a team with success to do that, there's still no excuse why the bengals shouldnt be able to obtain atleast 1 impact free agent on both sides of the ball.

I feel the pain but i can never walk away from my Bengals. I guess that is just the true fan in me.

[Luigi]

Yeah, quitting on a team just because they are bad is lame. But we have so much more than that. We have just about any legit reason you can come up with to quit. 1. Bad Ownership 2. Continuing to bring in players with "questionable personalities" 3. Takes advatage of your city 4. Stuck in the past/ Failure to moderize 5. etc.

So I wouldnt blame anyone right now. I cant quit on them, so it runs an even bigger problem for me because my fandom may just go into hibernation. That would cause me to pretty much totally ignore the NFL, which would really stink.

[ILikeFootball]

Originally Posted by BengirlVal

I think everyone feels your pain. Like the last poster stated, I think we stopped caring if they won or lost. It didn't matter after a certain point in the season anyway. It was nice not be be screaming at the TV when they were stinking it up. But that doesn't mean I will quit being a fan. I will always be a fan and won't root for any other team. Well unless they are playing in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.

If they play the Steelers in the SuperBowl? what in the h e l l are you talking about?

[RazourWeed]

Originally Posted by Whodey777

I cant even believe im about to say this, because I know alot of fans on here will rip me apart, but honestly if the bengals have another season with 7 wins or less, and the entire coaching staff (besides zimmer) isnt replaced, I will cease to be a fan of this team. The bengals refuse to do anything to further better themselves, and are ******* away a great oppritunity to be a playoff contender with a great franchise quarterback, and the clock looks like it has ticked away with the apparent departure of TJ and chad. Quite frankly im sick of the apparent lack of desire to win. I remember phil savage, when I lived in cleveland, once said "Its not like theres some big conspiracy here, we're trying to put together a winning football team, we're trying to do everything we need to do to get the cleveland browns to the playoffs. We arent intending to lose games, but when you take over a team that has so few pieces in place it often takes awhile to get those pieces into place" (not an exact quote, but that was the jist of it) See, the browns are by no means a role model whatsoever, but they still stressed to the public they are trying to win. Cincinnati doesnt even do that, they just tell us we have to get back to fundamentals. Well fundamentals dont win football games (alone), great coaches who think of new inventive and great ways to innovate win football games. Guys who dont complain, do their job, and buy into a system of success win football games. It all starts up front, up top. It all boils down to does this franchise show by example, excellence. And the bottom line is they dont. Kraft (patriots owner) made a huge deal about changing the way the patriots operated. From top to bottom, he expects nothing short of excellence. And he gets it, because guys who dont perform at 110% all the time, well they dont make it in new england. If the bengals fail once again, I will refuse to follow another team, atleast for a few years. Hell I might even choose one that isnt completely idiotic in the front office, or if mike brown dies or resigns I will cease my NFL-watching exile.

Here is also a list of excuses im not going to let the bengals pull on me again next year, god damnt if its broke fix it!

1.)Injuries
I dont give a **** who is injured, for how long, or why. This is such a cop-out for this team, its always blamed on injuries. Well train your players better and you wont have half of ur god damn roster on IR. hire a new training staff mike, employ a team to work on JUST this problem alone and fix it. And god help me, if carson is out next year due to an injured elbow in his throwing arm, thats the moment I cease to be a bengals fan,
2.)Young team
A young team should be an advantage, and if you draft right you're young players make a great impact in year one. We drafted odell thurman and chris henry, and that year we went to the playoffs. granted they later had character issues, but reguardless, there's talent out there, and ya better find it mikey boy.
3.)Bad coaching
Fix a problem before it blows up in your face, not after. Well its allready blown up and he hasnt made the moves to fix it. (mike brown that is)
4.)Character issues resulting in players suspended
I dont care if we lose our running game because benson gets in trouble (although I think we're safe with him) or we lose our deep threat because henry messes up yet again, I dont care what the hell the excuse it, because im done with relying on those guys. Those are guys ya have backups for, so they are expendable and they know it. If ya cant draft guys who arent complete morons, well then thats your fault once again mike brown
5.) Lack of impact free agent(s)
Whether or not its paying a backup RE like odom starter money, getting a backup TE like utecht, or whatever the excuse. The free agent market is another area the bengals refuse to ever succeed in, and its friggin sickening. Good teams build through the draft, true, but good teams also dont refuse to EVER make a good trade, or EVER sign a free agent. The reason the patriots succeed every year is they find their voids and fill them well, and although its easier for a team with success to do that, there's still no excuse why the bengals shouldnt be able to obtain atleast 1 impact free agent on both sides of the ball.

Whodey my friend this is but a theme, that we as fans go through and over time we will begin to see the genius that is Mike Brown, and we will come to the realization that running a NFL team is hard! We...must...be....patient....

ugh, I can't stomach that crap no more lol.

We all feel your pain brother, and I don't blame others for moving on with their "fandom." It's tiring and just plain nerve-racking to be a Bengals fan, at least other teams can taste vitory or at least show progress being made, but every year its the same ole, same ole from this franchise. I just don't take this team serious anymore, we are a joke and always will be a joke. We are powerless as fans and what we do means very little to this team, so I don't even consider myself a "fan" more of an "observer" since at least a "fan" gets a small, tiny, molecule of respect or acknowledgement from their team they follow. So if you must go, I wish ya the best!

[Conlo73]

Good, see ya. Im sure its not the first thing you have quit on.

PEACE OUT

But Im with the couple other posters that have talked about not caring about wins and losses anymore. I took the same approach this season. I decided after the first three games that I was not going to get angry about the games anymore, there is just no point.

[ILikeFootball]

Originally Posted by Conlo73

Good, see ya. Im sure its not the first thing you have quit on.

PEACE OUT

Really? gonna get pissy with people for leaving the Bengals. If no one left Mikey would still make money and us idiot die hards would never see change. If you want to stop rooting for the bengals please do. And when we get good if we get good I will welcome any one back. It takes a true fan to demand change and success. Why should we take this abuse. I personaly am not going anywhere but I will never be mad at those people who do. They have that right and if Mike was doing his job people would not be jumping ship.

[RazourWeed]

Originally Posted by ILikeFootball

If they play the Steelers in the SuperBowl? what in the h e l l are you talking about?

Root for another team in the SB when they play the Steelers not rooting for the Bengals in the SB against the Steelers.

[Paul from Dayton]

I will never stop being a fan or root for another team, but my enthusiasm for the team is definitely being diminished.

[Conlo73]

Originally Posted by ILikeFootball

Really? gonna get pissy with people for leaving the Bengals. If no one left Mikey would still make money and us idiot die hards would never see change. If you want to stop rooting for the bengals please do. And when we get good if we get good I will welcome any one back. It takes a true fan to demand change and success. Why should we take this abuse. I personaly am not going anywhere but I will never be mad at those people who do. They have that right and if Mike was doing his job people would not be jumping ship.

And what are you doing to demand change and success? Maybe you can tell me where to start, because I am thinking that Mike Brown could care less about our gripes. But maybe I am wrong, I am open to suggestion because I would love to have a winning franchise as much as anyone else, but we are pretty powerless, because even people giving up their season tickets, etc... isn't going to work because there will be someone else there to buy them up whether its a fan or a broker ready to sell them to the opponents fans. It should be pretty clear that after the 20+ years of Mike Browns ownership of this franchise that he doesn't care whether we are unhappy or not.

And I am not getting pissy. If they want to leave, then leave the fanbase. Go on ahead and go. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. Thats why I said peace out, go on ahead and cheer for someone else.

[Carson4mvp]

Originally Posted by BengirlVal

I think everyone feels your pain. Like the last poster stated, I think we stopped caring if they won or lost. It didn't matter after a certain point in the season anyway. It was nice not be be screaming at the TV when they were stinking it up. But that doesn't mean I will quit being a fan. I will always be a fan and won't root for any other team. Well unless they are playing in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.

You do the Bengal's and Steeler's both can't be in the Superbowl at the sametime right?

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by ILikeFootball

If they play the Steelers in the SuperBowl? what in the h e l l are you talking about?

Read the post again, let it sink in.

[nepa]

Originally Posted by BengirlVal
will always be a fan and won't root for any other team. Well unless they are playing in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.:

Originally Posted by Carson4mvp

You do [know] the Bengal's and Steeler's both can't be in the Superbowl at the sametime right?

BengirlVal was talking about not rooting for any other team unless the other team is playing in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.

[ILikeFootball]

And I am not getting pissy. If they want to leave, then leave the fanbase. Go on ahead and go. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. Thats why I said peace out, go on ahead and cheer for someone else.[/quote]

You are right. I got pissy. My bad. Stupid Bengals losing all the time making me attack perfectly good Bengals fans.