Is it Over?

[steelman59]

There has been ranting going on about who is a better QB, do injuries effect the out come of a game, would Seattle exact revenge on the Steelers and one that was mentioned earlier and wish he would come back and post again, was how the NFC would dominate this year. Of course he was a Bears fan, so that is easy.

Well................................

1. It don't matter about who is the better qb. What matters is where the team is in the standings. Steelers 4-1, Bengals 1-3. Is Palmer a better QB? Yes, I'll concede that, but as good as he is, your team is still losing.

2. The Steelers went into the game against one of the better NFC teams without 3 pro bowl players in Hines ward (offense), Casey Hampton (Defense) and Troy Polomalu (Defense). During the game the Steelers also lost Marvel Smith (offense). With all these injuries they still scored 33 TD's and shutdown one of the best offenses the NFC has. Why? It's because the Steelers have depth in their 2nd and 3rd string positions and they have a coaching staff that knows how to motivate and teaches players to not be selfish.
Sorry, injuries may slow down a team, but they should not be used as an excuse for losing.

3. Some made the claim this would be a rematch of SB XL and the Seahawks would exact revenge for the loss in 05. That is lame because so many of the players and coaches are gone from that team. This was just another game, there was no revenge factor involved and if there was Seattle failed miserably at exacting anything from this game.

4. NFC going to dominate the AFC this year? I challenge anyone to pick a NFC team to match against the Steelers, Patriots or Colts. There isn't one.


Yes I think this game answered a lot of issues, including the one about whether Tomlin was the best choice for HC. The Steelers rebounded beautifully from the loss last week.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

The Steelers went into the game against one of the better NFC teams without 3 pro bowl players in Hines ward (offense), Casey Hampton (Defense) and Troy Polomalu (Defense).

How many Pro Bowls has Wines Hard been to?

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

How many Pro Bowls has Wines Hard been to?

5 times consecutively. 2001 through 2005

[IHateMeSomeBengals]

Originally Posted by Ali

How many Pro Bowls has Wines Hard been to?

How many Super Bowls has Carson been to? You need to put a cork in that homer mouth of yours.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

There has been ranting going on about who is a better QB, do injuries effect the out come of a game, would Seattle exact revenge on the Steelers and one that was mentioned earlier and wish he would come back and post again, was how the NFC would dominate this year. Of course he was a Bears fan, so that is easy.

Well................................

1. It don't matter about who is the better qb. What matters is where the team is in the standings. Steelers 4-1, Bengals 1-3. Is Palmer a better QB? Yes, I'll concede that, but as good as he is, your team is still losing.

Then why bring up that point in your intro statement?

2. The Steelers went into the game against one of the better NFC teams without 3 pro bowl players in Hines ward (offense), Casey Hampton (Defense) and Troy Polomalu (Defense). During the game the Steelers also lost Marvel Smith (offense). With all these injuries they still scored 33 TD's and shutdown one of the best offenses the NFC has. Why? It's because the Steelers have depth in their 2nd and 3rd string positions and they have a coaching staff that knows how to motivate and teaches players to not be selfish.
Sorry, injuries may slow down a team, but they should not be used as an excuse for losing.

Which third stringers came out to play? Exactly. The Bengals have had to play and START third string receivers, a 4th string RB, 3rd string O-Linemen, 4th, 5th, FA LBs, couldn't play their kicker in the first game and saw the effects of his pain in the 2nd game, backup corner, backup returners. There's something you need to know. A few injuries can be overcome, when half your team is backups, then you need to worry.

3. Some made the claim this would be a rematch of SB XL and the Seahawks would exact revenge for the loss in 05. That is lame because so many of the players and coaches are gone from that team. This was just another game, there was no revenge factor involved and if there was Seattle failed miserably at exacting anything from this game.

So many? How many is so many? You talk like there were five players from that game still playing. The majority of starters were out there for that game!

4. NFC going to dominate the AFC this year? I challenge anyone to pick a NFC team to match against the Steelers, Patriots or Colts. There isn't one.

Yes I think this game answered a lot of issues, including the one about whether Tomlin was the best choice for HC. The Steelers rebounded beautifully from the loss last week.

How does that answer the question as to how Tomlin deserved it over Grimm and Whiz? I would contend, easily, that Whiz has done a finer job in the desert thus far than Tomlin. Remember, the Stoolers are two years removed from the Super Bowl. How many Super Bowl victories does the Cards franchise have? How many appearances? How many playoff appearances? Just four times in franchise history. Oh yeah, three of those were in St. Louis back in the early 80's and one was a decade ago.

But, hey, what do I know, right?

[oasiswr]

Originally Posted by steelman59

There has been ranting going on about who is a better QB, do injuries effect the out come of a game, would Seattle exact revenge on the Steelers and one that was mentioned earlier and wish he would come back and post again, was how the NFC would dominate this year. Of course he was a Bears fan, so that is easy.

Well................................

1. It don't matter about who is the better qb. What matters is where the team is in the standings. Steelers 4-1, Bengals 1-3. Is Palmer a better QB? Yes, I'll concede that, but as good as he is, your team is still losing.

2. The Steelers went into the game against one of the better NFC teams without 3 pro bowl players in Hines ward (offense), Casey Hampton (Defense) and Troy Polomalu (Defense). During the game the Steelers also lost Marvel Smith (offense). With all these injuries they still scored 33 TD's and shutdown one of the best offenses the NFC has. Why? It's because the Steelers have depth in their 2nd and 3rd string positions and they have a coaching staff that knows how to motivate and teaches players to not be selfish.
Sorry, injuries may slow down a team, but they should not be used as an excuse for losing.

3. Some made the claim this would be a rematch of SB XL and the Seahawks would exact revenge for the loss in 05. That is lame because so many of the players and coaches are gone from that team. This was just another game, there was no revenge factor involved and if there was Seattle failed miserably at exacting anything from this game.

4. NFC going to dominate the AFC this year? I challenge anyone to pick a NFC team to match against the Steelers, Patriots or Colts. There isn't one.


Yes I think this game answered a lot of issues, including the one about whether Tomlin was the best choice for HC. The Steelers rebounded beautifully from the loss last week.

Cowboys next week against the Pats,and I smell Cowboy win unfortunately. I still have mixed feeling on that game though Cheaters or Cryboys;it's just a no win situation. Call me crazy but they have the defense and offense to do it.

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

Then why bring up that point in your intro statement?



Which third stringers came out to play? Exactly. The Bengals have had to play and START third string receivers, a 4th string RB, 3rd string O-Linemen, 4th, 5th, FA LBs, couldn't play their kicker in the first game and saw the effects of his pain in the 2nd game, backup corner, backup returners. There's something you need to know. A few injuries can be overcome, when half your team is backups, then you need to worry.



So many? How many is so many? You talk like there were five players from that game still playing. The majority of starters were out there for that game!








How does that answer the question as to how Tomlin deserved it over Grimm and Whiz? I would contend, easily, that Whiz has done a finer job in the desert thus far than Tomlin. Remember, the Stoolers are two years removed from the Super Bowl. How many Super Bowl victories does the Cards franchise have? How many appearances? How many playoff appearances? Just four times in franchise history. Oh yeah, three of those were in St. Louis back in the early 80's and one was a decade ago.

But, hey, what do I know, right?

Hmmm obviously your not reading the whole post or the thread title. These are things that have been coming up on the boards for a while now that were answered today. Your like the Browns fans, win a couple of close games and think your team is the best. Come back when you have some division titles and some SB wins. By then this whole message board will probably be in the Smithsonian Institute. The NFC has a very serious condition its called Steelerbengalpatriotcoltitis, to which there is no cure.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

Hmmm obviously your not reading the whole post or the thread title. These are things that have been coming up on the boards for a while now that were answered today. Your like the Browns fans, win a couple of close games and think your team is the best. Come back when you have some division titles and some SB wins. By then this whole message board will probably be in the Smithsonian Institute. The NFC has a very serious condition its called Steelerbengalpatriotcoltitis, to which there is no cure.

You said name one NFC team that could beat the Steelers, Pats or Colts. Between those three teams, their records are 19-1. That one being against...

wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

THE CARDINALS (who play in the NFC).

We have a division title, and I think I'll frequent this board even if my Bengals don't win the Super Bowl. YOu see, I will get over the Bengals losses. I don't jump the bandwagon

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

You said name one NFC team that could beat the Steelers, Pats or Colts. Between those three teams, their records are 19-1. That one being against...

wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

THE CARDINALS (who play in the NFC).

We have a division title, and I think I'll frequent this board even if my Bengals don't win the Super Bowl. YOu see, I will get over the Bengals losses. I don't jump the bandwagon

Bandwagon? AH thats funny cause I have been a Steeler fan before Chuck Noll was head coach. I never gave up on the Steelers even when they did lose, nor will i when they lose again. SO......................... bandwagon, no way.

[kmil579]

Originally Posted by Ali

Which third stringers came out to play? Exactly. The Bengals have had to play and START third string receivers, a 4th string RB, 3rd string O-Linemen, 4th, 5th, FA LBs, couldn't play their kicker in the first game and saw the effects of his pain in the 2nd game, backup corner, backup returners. There's something you need to know. A few injuries can be overcome, when half your team is backups, then you need to worry.

Well since you asked, Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes are the #1 and #2 receivers. Both didnt play and the starters were #3 WR Cedrick Wilson and #4 WR Nate Washington. #5 WR Willie Reid Also saw action. Its funny because you want to talk about the Bengals and their injuries as an excuse to why they lose but the Steelers dominated despite their injuries. Troy P. and Casey H. were huge losses too. It is the equivalent of the Bengals losing Palmer, Johnson, and TJ and trying to win. It wouldnt happen.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by kmil579

Well since you asked, Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes are the #1 and #2 receivers. Both didnt play and the starters were #3 WR Cedrick Wilson and #4 WR Nate Washington. #5 WR Willie Reid Also saw action. Its funny because you want to talk about the Bengals and their injuries as an excuse to why they lose but the Steelers dominated despite their injuries. Troy P. and Casey H. were huge losses too. It is the equivalent of the Bengals losing Palmer, Johnson, and TJ and trying to win. It wouldnt happen.

Are you kidding? #3 receivers typically play about half the snaps, but I'd still consider them backups. So, you had to *resort* to your 2nd stringers, not third stringers.

And that comparison is awful. Losing Troy and Casey would be the equivalent of the Bengals losing Chad and Rudi. Guess what, we played without Chad, and if we had Henry and TJ, I guarantee we would still perform.

Originally Posted by steelman59

Bandwagon? AH thats funny cause I have been a Steeler fan before Chuck Noll was head coach. I never gave up on the Steelers even when they did lose, nor will i when they lose again. SO......................... bandwagon, no way.

I never said you were a bandwagon fan. I said I will not quit posting or watchign because I am NOT a bandwagonner.

[steelman59]

Injuries are an excuse, there are 45 members of a football team that suit up with 8 in reserve. They all get payed good money to step up when they are called upon. Saying your team is losing because you have to resort to backups is equivalent to saying that your scouts and your coaches have no clue. If you can not at least compete with backups then you need to find new backups. Why is it the 2nd string and 3rd string get most of the playing time in preseason? Could it be to see how good they are at competing at a professional level?

In conclusion you are saying your backups are not good enough to compete against other teams, therefore your team has no depth and is NOT a complete team or ready to compete in championship games.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

Injuries are an excuse, there are 45 members of a football team that suit up with 8 in reserve. They all get payed good money to step up when they are called upon. Saying your team is losing because you have to resort to backups is equivalent to saying that your scouts and your coaches have no clue. If you can not at least compete with backups then you need to find new backups. Why is it the 2nd string and 3rd string get most of the playing time in preseason? Could it be to see how good they are at competing at a professional level?

In conclusion you are saying your backups are not good enough to compete against other teams, therefore your team has no depth and is NOT a complete team or ready to compete in championship games.

Are you brain dead?

Seriously.

You know how many teams end up losing out because of injuries year in and year out? Injuries play a GARGANTUAN part in the success of a team. To say it has no effect or shouldn't have an effect is not only dumb, it's assinine.

Buffalo who has suffered one loss after another had it play into their game thus far. The Seahawks last season barely made the post-season due to big time injuries, most notably to their stud RB. KC struggled out of the gate last year after losing Trent Green, but then came on strong to end the season.

Carolina is a Super Bowl caliber team when they're healthy, and are a top 10 draft picking team when not. It's not just one team, it's every team. If you all lost Santonio Holmes, your top 5 LBs on the depth chart, your top 3 RBs on the depth chart and half your O-Line, you'd also complain about injuries.

Here's the deal. The NFL is part skill, part will, part mentality, part coaching, part execution, part injuries and part luck.

If you don't want to admit injuries have nothing to do with a team winning or losing, then please explain the Steelers 8-8 record last year with essentially the same team but a concussion to your starting QB as well as multiple other injuries?

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

Are you brain dead?

Seriously.

You know how many teams end up losing out because of injuries year in and year out? Injuries play a GARGANTUAN part in the success of a team. To say it has no effect or shouldn't have an effect is not only dumb, it's assinine.

Buffalo who has suffered one loss after another had it play into their game thus far. The Seahawks last season barely made the post-season due to big time injuries, most notably to their stud RB. KC struggled out of the gate last year after losing Trent Green, but then came on strong to end the season.

Carolina is a Super Bowl caliber team when they're healthy, and are a top 10 draft picking team when not. It's not just one team, it's every team. If you all lost Santonio Holmes, your top 5 LBs on the depth chart, your top 3 RBs on the depth chart and half your O-Line, you'd also complain about injuries.

Here's the deal. The NFL is part skill, part will, part mentality, part coaching, part execution, part injuries and part luck.

If you don't want to admit injuries have nothing to do with a team winning or losing, then please explain the Steelers 8-8 record last year with essentially the same team but a concussion to your starting QB as well as multiple other injuries?

You son, don't even deserve an answer anymore. It is easier for you to accept defeat by blaming it on anything but the truth.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

You son, don't even deserve an answer anymore. It is easier for you to accept defeat by blaming it on anything but the truth.

So, you're conceding.

Of course you are. Answer my question, what would you if your 3-4 D could not be played out because you were actually playing with 2 LBs?

Tell me, how would your running game survive if your top 3 RBs were down and your 3 interior linemen were ALL injured.

The backups are backups for a reason. Because they aren't good enough to start. When our team is weak enough as it is at LB, our backups are obviously going to be barely good enough to compete at the NFL-level.

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

So, you're conceding.

Of course you are. Answer my question, what would you if your 3-4 D could not be played out because you were actually playing with 2 LBs?

Tell me, how would your running game survive if your top 3 RBs were down and your 3 interior linemen were ALL injured.

The backups are backups for a reason. Because they aren't good enough to start. When our team is weak enough as it is at LB, our backups are obviously going to be barely good enough to compete at the NFL-level.

**** no i am not conceding, it is just useless to argue with someone who is to blind to see the truth. Steelers played hurt and so did the colts. They won. Would you like the name of a good eye doctor so you can see more clearly?

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

**** no i am not conceding, it is just useless to argue with someone who is to blind to see the truth. Steelers played hurt and so did the colts. They won. Would you like the name of a good eye doctor so you can see more clearly?

Quantity of injuries, my friend. Like you said, every team plays hurt, but how hurt they play can make, or break, a game, a string of games or even a season.

And you know it's true!

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

Quantity of injuries, my friend. Like you said, every team plays hurt, but how hurt they play can make, or break, a game, a string of games or even a season.

And you know it's true!

Sorry not buying it, because if you want to have an elite team, then you have to have depth at all positions, because like you said, every team plays hurt and if the team does not have quality backups...... Well figure it out from there.

I guess what I am trying to say is injuries should not have a bearing on a teams ability to win a game because the backups, who get payed also should be able to step into the game and the coaches should be able to adjust with those backups so that they can continue winning. The Steelers did it today and so did the Colts.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by steelman59

Sorry not buying it, because if you want to have an elite team, then you have to have depth at all positions, because like you said, every team plays hurt and if the team does not have quality backups...... Well figure it out from there.

I guess what I am trying to say is injuries should not have a bearing on a teams ability to win a game because the backups, who get payed also should be able to step into the game and the coaches should be able to adjust with those backups so that they can continue winning. The Steelers did it today and so did the Colts.

There's no convincing you, there's no convincing me, we're just racing one another on oversized snails.

But, you are officially on notice. 34, I'm stealing your idea, with a twist!

[steelman59]

Originally Posted by Ali

There's no convincing you, there's no convincing me, we're just racing one another on oversized snails.

But, you are officially on notice. 34, I'm stealing your idea, with a twist!

i have no clue what your talking about.

[RhythmicGeek]

Originally Posted by Ali

You said name one NFC team that could beat the Steelers, Pats or Colts. Between those three teams, their records are 19-1. That one being against...

wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

THE CARDINALS (who play in the NFC).

We have a division title, and I think I'll frequent this board even if my Bengals don't win the Super Bowl. YOu see, I will get over the Bengals losses. I don't jump the bandwagon

It was never said name one team that could beat those three teams, it was said challenge. Arizona did want that game more. Honestly though, Whis really doesn't seem to know what the **** he's doing. That two quarterback system of his said that. It's down to one now anyway what with a broken collarbone. Tomlin was the better choice anyway, he's done several things that we never would have seen from Whis that have made this team the surprise they are this season.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Ali

How many Pro Bowls has Wines Hard been to?

He's still the leading WR in franchise history, Ali. He's also our #1 guy.

But we were ok because we build around a scheme, as opposed to a few guys.

[pdub2005]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

He's still the leading WR in franchise history, Ali. He's also our #1 guy.

But we were ok because we build around a scheme, as opposed to a few guys.

That is the first truly valid point I have seen in this thread. Building around a scheme is a much better idea then building around a few players. I almost wish the bengals would go to the west coast style offense. Reggie Kelly seems like a decent tight-end for the west coast system, he has decent hands, he just isn't a down the field thread like carson likes. My fellow bengals fans are so in love with the long ball (as is the rest of cincinnati ex: Adam Dunn), I don't care if Carson never completes a pass over 40 yards as long as this team is winning.

[Dill]

Originally Posted by Ali

You said name one NFC team that could beat the Steelers, Pats or Colts. Between those three teams, their records are 19-1. That one being against...

wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

THE CARDINALS (who play in the NFC).

We have a division title, and I think I'll frequent this board even if my Bengals don't win the Super Bowl. YOu see, I will get over the Bengals losses. I don't jump the bandwagon

Yea, those surprisng Cardinals!! They showed the NFC has coaches every bit as good as those of AFC teams like the Steelers.

[Joe from Florence]

Originally Posted by steelman59

There has been ranting going on about who is a better QB, do injuries effect the out come of a game, would Seattle exact revenge on the Steelers and one that was mentioned earlier and wish he would come back and post again, was how the NFC would dominate this year. Of course he was a Bears fan, so that is easy.

Well................................

1. It don't matter about who is the better qb. What matters is where the team is in the standings. Steelers 4-1, Bengals 1-3. Is Palmer a better QB? Yes, I'll concede that, but as good as he is, your team is still losing.

2. The Steelers went into the game against one of the better NFC teams without 3 pro bowl players in Hines ward (offense), Casey Hampton (Defense) and Troy Polomalu (Defense). During the game the Steelers also lost Marvel Smith (offense). With all these injuries they still scored 33 TD's and shutdown one of the best offenses the NFC has. Why? It's because the Steelers have depth in their 2nd and 3rd string positions and they have a coaching staff that knows how to motivate and teaches players to not be selfish.
Sorry, injuries may slow down a team, but they should not be used as an excuse for losing.

3. Some made the claim this would be a rematch of SB XL and the Seahawks would exact revenge for the loss in 05. That is lame because so many of the players and coaches are gone from that team. This was just another game, there was no revenge factor involved and if there was Seattle failed miserably at exacting anything from this game.

4. NFC going to dominate the AFC this year? I challenge anyone to pick a NFC team to match against the Steelers, Patriots or Colts. There isn't one.


Yes I think this game answered a lot of issues, including the one about whether Tomlin was the best choice for HC. The Steelers rebounded beautifully from the loss last week.

so because you beat a horrible Seatle team that actually almost lost to a horrible bengals team, that means Tomlin is a great HC.....ok