I Disagree With Todays Home Page Story

[kevin]

Trading our 2nd round pick to move from 21st up to 19th ?????

That would indeed be stupid considering we got Rey in round 2 last year.

After you get past the top 5 or 10 guys in the draft, it's a crap shoot. Even the top guys end up complete busts. 19th is no different than 21st, why then trade a 2nd round pick. We give up a round 2 and our round 1 and we better move into the top 10, not 2 spaces up to 19.

So I disagree with todays Bengals Home Page story because it would just be stupid to give up round 2 just to move from 21st to 19th. That would be dumb. ....In rounds 1 AND 2 we will fill two big needs, and thats the way it must be.

[Gdale Bengal]

Depends on if the Patriots or Ravens are gunning for the same player we're after, which could be Gresham.

Houston's in a really good position right now, because they really have no need for a tight end, but teams behind them are probably fighting to get ahead of each other, so they may get good deals from them and may still be able to get there guy in that spot, it's a win-win for them.

Bengals could jump them to 19 and get Gresham before Houston gets to the podium. That seems like a decent strategy.

[WestCoast Bengal]

You are right it really doesn't make much sense. The only scenario where that would even be a possibility is if we have already targeted a player we must have and know that Texans are going to take that same player with #20.

Any other scenario we still take the best S, WR, DT, or TE (Gresham only) on the board and keep the 2nd round pick.

But then why would it say the Falcons are dangling the #19 pick to us, then they select Gresham.

Just not much logic here.

[JoePong]

What part of the story do you disagree with???

Why wouldn't the falcons try to "dangle" pick #19 to try to pick up am extra 2nd round pick?

Nobody ever suggested the bengals do it, or even suggested that the bengals would ever make that move. All the story says is that the falcons may try to do that.

[kevin]

I wouldn't do it. You need a couple of players you want at 21, and some players you would love to have in round 2. Gresham is NOT worth a round 1 and a round 2, no way. We give up our round 1 and round 2 and we better be moving into the top 10 picks in the draft, not 19th. ...We are already at 21, so 19 is not worth our round 2 and then having no pick until round 3. ...We need a round 2, we got Rey in round 2......We need too many positions to give up round 2. I wish we had more picks, not fewer.

We don't even know if we are drafting Gresham. It might be Mays, it might be Bryant, it might be Iupati, it might be a DE or a DT......There is going to be a good player for us on the board at 21.....but there is also going to be a good player on the board in round 2, unless we give it away to only move from 21 to 19.

If the Bengals do this, they don't understand the draft. 49ers use to by trading for more picks, not trading for less picks.

The good news is, the teams are playing Poker now, and it's probably a bluff. Not happening.

[Gustov]

Originally Posted by kevin

Trading our 2nd round pick to move from 21st up to 19th ?????

That would indeed be stupid considering we got Rey in round 2 last year.

After you get past the top 5 or 10 guys in the draft, it's a crap shoot. Even the top guys end up complete busts. 19th is no different than 21st, why then trade a 2nd round pick. We give up a round 2 and our round 1 and we better move into the top 10, not 2 spaces up to 19.

So I disagree with todays Bengals Home Page story because it would just be stupid to give up round 2 just to move from 21st to 19th. That would be dumb. ....In rounds 1 AND 2 we will fill two big needs, and thats the way it must be.

hobson doesn't say he thinks they should do it, he's just throwing out the possibility that atlanta could try to make it happen.

[Bengals in Toronto]

we would be stupid to draft a TE in the first

[Orange and Black Attack]

Originally Posted by Bengals in Toronto

we would be stupid to draft a TE in the first

This considering we dont use a TE in the pass game much.


(Now someone becomes a know it all asks how many times we threw to our TE this past season)

[mrcrockj]

There's no way a TE is worth a 1st and 2nd round pick. If it did happen, I'd cry.

[berserkerone88]

A 2nd rounder is far too much to give up for a 2 spot jump.

Pick 19 - 875
Pick 21 - 800

Pick 54 - 360

Theoretically that should get us to 13. (1,150)

[eoxyod]

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

[Bengalrocker]

Originally Posted by eoxyod

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

I agree, if we trade up, it better be for Earl Thomas, nobody else.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by eoxyod

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

1st and 3rd roughly gets you to 15.
Not the early teens but close enough to maybe get Earl.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

A 2nd rounder is far too much to give up for a 2 spot jump.

Pick 19 - 875
Pick 21 - 800

Pick 54 - 360

Theoretically that should get us to 13. (1,150)

13 would be better, but he would have to be somebody thats going to come in and start and dominate in game 1. Frankly, I don't see too many players like that in this years draft.....Also remember Mike Brown has a hard time getting top picks signed and in camp on time ( Rivers, Smith ).

I agree with you though, for a 1 and 2 we should move up around the top 10, no way just 2 spots to 19

The good thing about pick 21 is we should be able to get him into camp on time, unless Mike B is just way out there.

Would rather have pick 21 than pick 1, because as we know, that means you have the worst team in the NFL. Sorry Rams fans, take it from a long suffering Bengal Fan, one player isn't going to change things much.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by kevin

13 would be better, but he would have to be somebody thats going to come in and start and dominate in game 1. Frankly, I don't see too many players like that in this years draft.....Also remember Mike Brown has a hard time getting top picks signed and in camp on time ( Rivers, Smith ).

I agree with you though, for a 1 and 2 we should move up around the top 10, no way just 2 spots to 19

The good thing about pick 21 is we should be able to get him into camp on time, unless Mike B is just way out there.

We will do what we always do. Wait it out. Get the best available contract out of that player. Which I am ok with rather than signing fast and possibly getting screwed out of money that could be used in following years. With a small market team that is a big factor.

If we trade up to 13, we might as well chip in the 3rd as well and send the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Anthony Collins to KC for #5 and snag Eric Berry

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

1st and 3rd roughly gets you to 15.
Not the early teens but close enough to maybe get Earl.

Ok...same thing. Mid teens should get Earl Thomas

However, there's about a 0 chance we trade up because we're the Bengals

[Davisj471]

How insane would it be if ol mikey traded our first 3 picks to get Berry...

[kevin]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

We will do what we always do. Wait it out. Get the best available contract out of that player. Which I am ok with rather than signing fast and possibly getting screwed out of money that could be used in following years. With a small market team that is a big factor.

If we trade up to 13, we might as well chip in the 3rd as well and send the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Anthony Collins to KC for #5 and snag Eric Berry

Interesting, but the other NFL teams usually get their pick on time into camp. The Bengals are the only team I see that consistently fails to get the # 1 pick into camp on time and his first year is then pretty much more of a waste of money do to lack of coaching. .....Certainly they should sign pick 21, shouldn't they, I hope ???

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by kevin

Interesting, but the other NFL teams usually get their pick on time into camp. The Bengals are the only team I see that consistently fails to get the # 1 pick into camp on time and his first year is then pretty much more of a waste of money do to lack of coaching. .....Certainly they should sign pick 21, shouldn't they, I hope ???

Not before #20 and #22

[BlackSunshyne]

Would be a awful move giving that up to move up 2 slots for Gresham. Stay put and take the BPA @ 21.

[Who_dey_hooligan]

there's so much talent allover the board that dealing a 2nd rounder is just ridiculous. The field is pretty deep all the way into the 4th round. Considering as how we havent moved nearly at all in FA we need all the early draft picks we can get. Early picks are far to valuable for us. I just hope this year we actually sign our first rounder before the season starts.

[Buckeyehitman]

If someone wants Gresham that bad, they can have him as far as I'm concerned. I do not want to give up a 1st and 2nd rounder for a TE that I'm not even convinced is going to be what we need him to be...particularly when we could've had a good one for a 5th round pick.

Now if somehow we could get Eric Berry for a 1st and 2nd, then you MIGHT have me interested.

[hacker]

Thomas is the guy that most mocks have going just before we pick so I gotta believe that if we made a move like that, it would be for him.

[jaydaman]

use both our 1st and 2nd round picks on one offensive player in what is said to be the deepest defensive draft in memory?

[goalpost]

I say we trade our whole draft for the 1st pick in the draft and draft Gresham. Sarc..