A must see breakdown of Gabbert

[Scarlet&Orange]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6246408


Come to your own conclusion but we know what happens when the QB is skittish by nature. And this is coming from a guy who liked Gabbert, only Dareus was ahead of him for me but this is a serious red flag IMO. Some things are fixable but if you are going out of your way to avoid being hit in college your pro career is likely to be quite short. And I have always been a big believer in Merrill Hoge, the guy knows his stuff.

[SunsetBengal]

No argument here, Gabbert was never really on my 1st round wish list. That is ironic that you chose a Meril Hodge breakdown to use for this thread, one of the radio guys (Golic I think it was) was pointing out how accurate Hodgies assessments of college talent have been throught the years.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Scarlet&Orange

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6246408


Come to your own conclusion but we know what happens when the QB is skittish by nature. And this is coming from a guy who liked Gabbert, only Dareus was ahead of him for me but this is a serious red flag IMO. Some things are fixable but if you are going out of your way to avoid being hit in college your pro career is likely to be quite short. And I have always been a big believer in Merrill Hoge, the guy knows his stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just one play?

[Scarlet&Orange]

Originally Posted by McC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just one play?

It's one play that illustrates the point, Hoge says in the piece he seen it "alot" from Gabbert.

But if you want another example of it check this one out in a big game, note there wasn't actually a rush but the guy he seen got blocked, also he clearly was panicked because the guy he threw the ball too was dead in front of the WR he was intending it for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM4L8...layer_embedded

[bfine32]

I don't think Merril is breaking any new ground in suggesting Gabbert will have to work on pocket presence. That's his biggest ding coming from a one-read offense. It all depends if a team is willing to take a physically, mentally gifted QB and develope him

[Scarlet&Orange]

Originally Posted by bfine32

I don't think Merril is breaking any new ground in suggesting Gabbert will have to work on pocket presence. That's his biggest ding coming from a one-read offense. It all depends if a team is willing to take a physically, mentally gifted QB and develope him

The guy is running for his life and usually when he doesn't have to, that's pocket presence and being awfully skittish. The pocket presence doesn't bother as much as the why he is watching the rush. David Klingler did that to, of course he had an awful line in the pros but the fact remains if you make 1 read and then start looking at the rush you are not gonna be making many plays at the next level.

[bludgeon]

Originally Posted by Scarlet&Orange

The guy is running for his life and usually when he doesn't have to, that's pocket presence and being awfully skittish. The pocket presence doesn't bother as much as the why he is watching the rush. David Klingler did that to, of course he had an awful line in the pros but the fact remains if you make 1 read and then start looking at the rush you are not gonna be making many plays at the next level.

Too true.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Scarlet&Orange

The guy is running for his life and usually when he doesn't have to, that's pocket presence and being awfully skittish. The pocket presence doesn't bother as much as the why he is watching the rush. David Klingler did that to, of course he had an awful line in the pros but the fact remains if you make 1 read and then start looking at the rush you are not gonna be making many plays at the next level.

I've decided to prepare myself for the eventuality of Gabbert or Newton being a Bengal and put my faith in Gruden, so dissecting either of them is of no further interest to me at this point. While both of them are probably a reach at 4, QB's get reached for. We wouldn't be the first.

I like to think of it in terms of what he's got versus what he lacks. With both these QB's, what they've got are the things only God can give. What they lack are the things humans can teach. At least their shortcomings fall into the fixable side of the equation. And they've both shown themselves to be willing students and they've both improved since the season ended. These two guys and CK are the only three in the draft, imo, who will ever be anything more than decent, serviceable players.

Mallett could go either way. I don't much care for lead feet, but he wouldn't be the first, so that can be overcome. I don't see star anywhere on him, though. But if he goes in the second to the right team, he could be pretty good. Don't know that he'll ever play at a first round level, though.

[Scarlet&Orange]

Originally Posted by McC

I've decided to prepare myself for the eventuality of Gabbert or Newton being a Bengal and put my faith in Gruden, so dissecting either of them is of no further interest to me at this point. While both of them are probably a reach at 4, QB's get reached for. We wouldn't be the first.

I like to think of it in terms of what he's got versus what he lacks. With both these QB's, what they've got are the things only God can give. What they lack are the things humans can teach. At least their shortcomings fall into the fixable side of the equation. And they've both shown themselves to be willing students and they've both improved since the season ended. These two guys and CK are the only three in the draft, imo, who will ever be anything more than decent, serviceable players.

Mallett could go either way. I don't much care for lead feet, but he wouldn't be the first, so that can be overcome. I don't see star anywhere on him, though. But if he goes in the second to the right team, he could be pretty good. Don't know that he'll ever play at a first round level, though.

That is a fair argument. I know if we draft Gabbert I will cross my fingers that he isn't really scared, just inexperienced. But if I were doing the picking I'd rather have a surer thing at #4.

[Jungle bum]

I picked up on gabert and his lack of feel from the get go. I feel the criticisms of newton are actually more suited for gabbert. (all the physical ability but not a true qb). In fact the thing I like about cam the most is his instincts and feel for the game are elite.

Not sure what the hype for gabbert is. Numbers are average or below and tape on him is even worse.

[Bengals in Toronto]

He watched 6 games does he want a cookie

[coachmcneil71]

Not saying that Hoge is right or wrong here.
I just want to use this thread to make this point.
Most anyone can compile a lowlight vid just as easy as making a highlight vid.
A person could compile tape on any player (ex.Brady,Brees,Ray Lewis,Ocho....ANY player) be it highlights or lowlights of that players career.
Then that person, in this case Hoge,could compile a tape and that tape may be positive or negative for the particular player based on the author or producers OPINION be it positive or negative.
Not saying Hoge is right or wrong just trying to explain how PR and propaganda works for those that don't grasp the concept.
If Hoge felt more optimistic about Gabbert then he could have just as easily made him look like a pro bowl caliber qb via videotape footage.
Not trying to HJ your thread just wanted to point out the difference between pos & neg pr and how easily EACH can be accomplished.

[The Scales]

Originally Posted by coachmcneil71

Not saying that Hoge is right or wrong here.
I just want to use this thread to make this point.
Most anyone can compile a lowlight vid just as easy as making a highlight vid.
A person could compile tape on any player (ex.Brady,Brees,Ray Lewis,Ocho....ANY player) be it highlights or lowlights of that players career.
Then that person, in this case Hoge,could compile a tape and that tape may be positive or negative for the particular player based on the author or producers OPINION be it positive or negative.
Not saying Hoge is right or wrong just trying to explain how PR and propaganda works for those that don't grasp the concept.
If Hoge felt more optimistic about Gabbert then he could have just as easily made him look like a pro bowl caliber qb via videotape footage.
Not trying to HJ your thread just wanted to point out the difference between pos & neg pr and how easily EACH can be accomplished.

Thanks for the Light!

Newton does appear to be the media darling like Timmy Teabag was - with his mug - plastered all over the sports channels last draft season.

"I ain't saying - i'm just saying."

[Bengals in Toronto]

Originally Posted by The Scales

Thanks for the Light!

Newton does appear to be the media darling like Timmy Teabag was - with his mug - plastered all over the sports channels last draft season.

"I ain't saying - i'm just saying."

bit with Timmy Teabag the real message is It's okay to be gay if you want to make Jesus cry

[crazyjdawg]

This is and has always been the main reason I liked Cam over Blaine, and the main reason I want nothing to do with Blaine. Watching just a couple of games, you not only see what Merrill is talking about, his inability to sense pressure and his skittishness (as well as his lack of ability to go to a 2nd read) but also the fact that he even feels pressure when there isn't any. He scurries around the backfield more than any QB I've ever seen, often times with little or no pressure on him in the pocket.

He doesn't use his pocket and he doesn't have a sense for his pocket.

Originally Posted by Scarlet&Orange

It's one play that illustrates the point, Hoge says in the piece he seen it "alot" from Gabbert.

But if you want another example of it check this one out in a big game, note there wasn't actually a rush but the guy he seen got blocked, also he clearly was panicked because the guy he threw the ball too was dead in front of the WR he was intending it for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM4L8...layer_embedded

There was literally no pressure there and he ran like a *****. I have no respect for this QB. He may be big, but he is a baby. If we're gonna take a QB this year, it better be a guy who's tough like Flacco or Roethlisberger (The only one is Cam.)

Cam is a pretty big project as well, but at least Cam has the ability to sense pressure, use his pocket and step back when he doesn't find his first read. That's why if I had to choose one of them, it would definitely be Cam.

That said I want Bowers more than anything else. I say let it fly with Jordan and Dan and draft our QB next year. Cuz this crop of QBs is one of the worst I've ever seen.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

This is and has always been the main reason I liked Cam over Blaine, and the main reason I want nothing to do with Blaine. Watching just a couple of games, you not only see what Merrill is talking about, his inability to sense pressure and his skittishness (as well as his lack of ability to go to a 2nd read) but also the fact that he even feels pressure when there isn't any. He scurries around the backfield more than any QB I've ever seen, often times with little or no pressure on him in the pocket.

He doesn't use his pocket and he doesn't have a sense for his pocket.


There was literally no pressure there and he ran like a *****. I have no respect for this QB. He may be big, but he is a baby. If we're gonna take a QB this year, it better be a guy who's tough like Flacco or Roethlisberger (The only one is Cam.)

Cam is a pretty big project as well, but at least Cam has the ability to sense pressure, use his pocket and step back when he doesn't find his first read. That's why if I had to choose one of them, it would definitely be Cam.

That said I want Bowers more than anything else. I say let it fly with Jordan and Dan and draft our QB next year. Cuz this crop of QBs is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Simply put, Gabbert looks wimpy on film.