No QB's Please

[Lolli]

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; a NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following:

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

Uhh, no offense to you Neon, but most of those guys are over the hill or just straight up bums.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

Uhh, no offense to you Neon, but most of those guys are over the hill or just straight up bums.

I do not disagree. None of them are going to carry this team far.

Believe it or not, that is the best of what is out there. I really think the only difference between the guys on the FA list and the ones in the draft is that you do not have to burn a draft pick on the FA guys.

They are all bums. But somebody has to hand the ball off and throw the short routes.

The average forced rank values for the 1st round guys:

Gabbart 9
Newton 14
Locker 25

Which one is going to be better than Hasselback next year?

[crazyjdawg]

All we need is a QB who can run a WCO and not turn the ball over 22 times in extremely inopportune times.

I could see Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick or maybe even Greg McElroy do that.

As long as it doesn't cost a top 5 pick, I'd be fine with a QB in this draft.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

All we need is a QB who can run a WCO and not turn the ball over 22 times in extremely inopportune times.

I could see Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick or maybe even Greg McElroy do that.

As long as it doesn't cost a top 5 pick, I'd be fine with a QB in this draft.

Looking at the mock in your sig, I think I might go for Locker if he was there in the 2nd.

I heard a stat today that his passing percentage is 70% outside of the pocket. Unless they were all dump offs, that would debunk some of the inaccurate debate. It does, however, point a finger at his o-line.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

You say that no QB is "elite" in this draft, then put forth a list of guys who are far from elite. IMO, this class isn't great, but you have to roll the dice on someone for the future. I would be ecstatic if we pick up Dareus, Fairley, or Von Miller in the 1st round. Then Ponder in round 2. Then we should pick up a guy from your list to mentor our young QB for a year or 2. Out of your list, I would be most ok with Hasselbeck or Bulger (because of experience). People seem to forget that we can still take a QB next year if we take one in the 2nd round this year. Carolina is about to take Newton one year after taking Claussen in round 2. That's yet another reason we should wait til round 2.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... 1)It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.
2)There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me.3) If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.
Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

4)Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. 5)I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.
With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

6)A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:
DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

Sorry have to disagree on this theory. I will give you your one analyst and he is an analyst that knows QBs..............John Gruden.

1) More than one of these guys will more than likely pan out and the best you can do is doing your homework and due diligence on these players and take the guy that you feel has the attributes that you are looking for in a QB. It is no different than any other position in the draft, it is all a crapshoot. It comes down to educated guesses.

2) Media Hype nothing more. Do you really buy into this theory that 4-6 teams are going to take QBs and that some of them are going to trade up to do so? I hope not.

3) Brian Bosworth was considered the BPA when he was taken in the supplemental draft and went on to sign the largest rookie contract that had ever been signed to that point.

4) You want a stop gap is what you are saying. How do you know that you can get the guy you want next season in the draft? If you are counting on Andrew Luck what do you do when you do not get him or if he has a career ending injury next season at Stanford? I do not believe for a moment that this season will be shortened. One thing the players and Owners are both motivated by is money and when it comes down to crunch time both are going to want paid so do not believe for a second that a deal does not get done. You mention an untried offensive scheme. News flash.......the WCO has been around for sometime now. As well, it is personel friendly.

I for one am excited for the youth movement we are seeing with this franchise and I believe it is long overdue. So let's go with it and that means at the QB position as well. I would have no problem with a Gradkowski as a vet backup, but personally I believe there are several QBs in this draft that could start and succeed as rookies.

5) If we had the same offensive coaches we had prior to the offseason I would put more stock in this statement. However, with the subtraction of Bratkoswki and Shepperd and the addition of Gruden and Urban I get excited for the offense. These are 2 young offensive minds that are spoken highly of in the NFL circle. I would feel even better had we gotten rid of Zampese as well but can live with 2 out of 3.

6) This could very well be or it could not. Even if it were true there is one "Elite" DT in this draft and Dareus will be gone when we draft. I predict Dareus to be the #1 selection of the Carolina Panthers. Fairley has as many question marks as the QBs you are talking about and has as much bust potential as any of the QBs.

[The Scales]

If Gabbert is available when they pick - they will take him.



Carson is not coming back. Not a chance.

So - there's a gapping void at QB and Mr. Brown sure likes him some QB.

He's the best prospect at QB in the draft and as far as I can tell pretty much a lock for success at the next level.

He is everything you are looking for in a QB prospect - and then some.

[goalpost]

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT


2009 262 445 3593 58.9 8.07 84 24 9 19 140.45
2010 301 475 3186 63.4 6.71 68 16 9 23 127.03

Gabbert had a better 2009 than 2010 season.
His completion percentage went up, but his rating actually went down.
I don't see him as a top 5 pick. Just don't.

[Lawless_1]

Originally Posted by Neon God

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

I'll take that one please.

Lets look at the offensive coordinators he had in San Francisco, shall we...

2005-Mike McCarthy, 2006-Norv Turner, 2007-Jim Hostler, 2008-Mike Martz, 2009-Jimmy Raye ll, 2010-Mike Johnson

6 years, 6 teachers. I mean I am not saying this guy will come here and be a pro bowler but I think he could become a decent starter if he had stability.

[JungleJuice]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

There is no way to predict who will be good.
If the team likes a guy you gotta roll with him.
You cant sit around and wait for free agency because you have no way of knowing how it shakes out or what the rules will be.

Also if I remember right a few of the guys on your list were supposed to be "The Guy" for their franchises according to the talking heads and football experts.
Now they are on your list.

I get tired of people saying take an elite player.

There is no way of knowing who is even good till they get on the field.

Assuming makes an *** out of you and me.

[BritishBengal]

I think out of the second tier QBs of this years draft, at least a couple will emerge into, at the very least, decent starters.

However if Gabbert is there at 4 it would be brave not to take him

[BoomerFan]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I believe that Jordan Palmer could get it done with a better offensive line. You would focus on the game over the middle to help lower his INTs. Just read Shipley 1, Gresh 2, RB 3 pretty much everytime. Maybe you go deep to Jerome or fade to him in the endzone every once in awhile. And a better Oline would help resuscitate our running game.

How is Jordan's play action? As bad as Carson's?

[BritishBengal]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I believe that Jordan Palmer could get it done with a better offensive line. You would focus on the game over the middle to help lower his INTs. Just read Shipley, Gresh, RB pretty much everytime. Maybe you go deep to Jerome or fade to him in the endzone every once in awhile. And a better Oline would help resuscitate our running game.

How is Jordan's play action? As bad as Carson's?

Come on, you serious?! Jordan showed flashes in preseason, against 2nd and 3rd stringers. He isnt even a great backup in my opinion. Furthermore it seems like that his mind isn't totally focused on football with all his off the field business ventures.

[JungleJuice]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I believe that Jordan Palmer could get it done with a better offensive line. You would focus on the game over the middle to help lower his INTs. Just read Shipley 1, Gresh 2, RB 3 pretty much everytime. Maybe you go deep to Jerome or fade to him in the endzone every once in awhile. And a better Oline would help resuscitate our running game.

How is Jordan's play action? As bad as Carson's?

:O

[whodeytj9]

Originally Posted by BritishBengal

Come on, you serious?! Jordan showed flashes in preseason, against 2nd and 3rd stringers. He isnt even a great backup in my opinion. Furthermore it seems like that his mind isn't totally focused on football with all his off the field business ventures.

Yes with ideas like RunPee who wouldnt be able to focus on football...

[crazyjdawg]

If you could go back to the 2010 draft, knowing what we know now about Carson, would anybody take Colt McCoy instead of Jordan Shipley, then hope Shipley falls to our 3rd comp pick?

[McC]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

There will be a QB drafted in the first two rounds. Might as well prepare yourself.

[ishouldbegm]

i think we should draft 2 qb's actually since we have no one on the roster who has shown they can be successful in the nfl and we have no one on the roster who has shown they can come in when needed if something happens to the starter

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by Neon God

What Cincinnati needs is a franchise QB.

What is not to be found anywhere in the draft; a franchise QB.

Name one analyst who says that there is an elite QB in this class... It would be nuts to say that none of the QBs will pan out. But there is no indication who that person will be.

There is a lot of talk about the drafting frenzie that is supposed to take place. Lets stop, take a deep breath and think about that for a minute. There are no obvious franchise QBs this year, so everybody is supposed to trade up and draft these players earlier than what they are worth. That does not make a lick of sense to me. If we pass on an elite player or BPA in the 1st or 2nd, we are going to have another decade of terrible football.

Palmer left us with more holes than we can fill in this draft. His timing has left us high and dry. What his absence does do for us, is create a lot of salary space. He was one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Rather than blow another high pick on a project, we simply need to pick one up in free agency.

Picking up a free agency QB followed by drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is not giving up on the 2011 season. A veteran QB that has survived in the league will have a better chance of success facing a brand new completely untried offensive scheme in conjunction with a shortened season better than a rookie would. Period. No matter what, we are going to have to bring two new QBs up to speed; an NFL caliber vet that the team does not currently have and a rookie. I question our coaching staff's ability to bring them both on effectively in one year.

With a fraction of the money that we are not spending on Palmer we can pick up one of the following. I would love it if 3 out of our 1st 4 picks went to offense, just not QB.

Matt Hasselback - 35
Marc Bulger - 35
Billy Volek - 35
Bruce Gradkowski - 28
Alex Smith - 27
Tavaris Jackson - 28
Troy Smith - 27
Chad Pennington - 35
Drew Stanton - 27
Nate Davis - 24
Rex Grossman - 31
Jim Sorgi - 30
Matt Moore - 27
Trent Edwards - 27
Matt Leinart - 28

A top DT will make our D elite (in addition to resigning JJoe). At the very least, we need to take one of the 'elite' players or trade down:

DT Marcell Dareus 6'3⅛" 319 Alabama
DT Nick Fairley 6'2⅞" 291 Auburn
WR A.J. Green 6'3⅝" 211 Georgia
CB Patrick Peterson 6'0¼" 219 LSU
OLB Von Miller 6'2⅝" 237 Texas A&M

While i agree that Dareus or Fairley would be the best pick i think that Mallett, Gabbert or
even Kaepernick could all be franchise type QB's. They all have the arm and talent to be
such. In ways i like one of these young guys better than any of the guys you mention.

But i do agree, Dareus or Fairley should be the Bengals 1st overall pick. One of these DT's
would help make our D-line one of if not the best up and coming D-line in the league and
Defense is what wins Championships.

Dareus and Fairley work in the trenches where games are won. This is why one of them
should be the first pick if one of them is there.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

You say that no QB is "elite" in this draft, then put forth a list of guys who are far from elite. IMO, this class isn't great, but you have to roll the dice on someone for the future. I would be ecstatic if we pick up Dareus, Fairley, or Von Miller in the 1st round. Then Ponder in round 2. Then we should pick up a guy from your list to mentor our young QB for a year or 2. Out of your list, I would be most ok with Hasselbeck or Bulger (because of experience). People seem to forget that we can still take a QB next year if we take one in the 2nd round this year. Carolina is about to take Newton one year after taking Claussen in round 2. That's yet another reason we should wait til round 2.

In reality, I am not against drafting a QB. I am however, strongly against reaching for a QB in a bad class. The trade up posts are almost making me ill.

I would like the Ponder suggestion that you made. I would not be happy if we had to trade our 3rd round pick to go up and get him.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Sorry have to disagree on this theory. I will give you your one analyst and he is an analyst that knows QBs..............John Gruden.

1) More than one of these guys will more than likely pan out and the best you can do is doing your homework and due diligence on these players and take the guy that you feel has the attributes that you are looking for in a QB. It is no different than any other position in the draft, it is all a crapshoot. It comes down to educated guesses.

2) Media Hype nothing more. Do you really buy into this theory that 4-6 teams are going to take QBs and that some of them are going to trade up to do so? I hope not.

3) Brian Bosworth was considered the BPA when he was taken in the supplemental draft and went on to sign the largest rookie contract that had ever been signed to that point.

4) You want a stop gap is what you are saying. How do you know that you can get the guy you want next season in the draft? If you are counting on Andrew Luck what do you do when you do not get him or if he has a career ending injury next season at Stanford? I do not believe for a moment that this season will be shortened. One thing the players and Owners are both motivated by is money and when it comes down to crunch time both are going to want paid so do not believe for a second that a deal does not get done. You mention an untried offensive scheme. News flash.......the WCO has been around for sometime now. As well, it is personel friendly.

I for one am excited for the youth movement we are seeing with this franchise and I believe it is long overdue. So let's go with it and that means at the QB position as well. I would have no problem with a Gradkowski as a vet backup, but personally I believe there are several QBs in this draft that could start and succeed as rookies.

5) If we had the same offensive coaches we had prior to the offseason I would put more stock in this statement. However, with the subtraction of Bratkoswki and Shepperd and the addition of Gruden and Urban I get excited for the offense. These are 2 young offensive minds that are spoken highly of in the NFL circle. I would feel even better had we gotten rid of Zampese as well but can live with 2 out of 3.

6) This could very well be or it could not. Even if it were true there is one "Elite" DT in this draft and Dareus will be gone when we draft. I predict Dareus to be the #1 selection of the Carolina Panthers. Fairley has as many question marks as the QBs you are talking about and has as much bust potential as any of the QBs.

I would not bet on trying to get Luck next year. For one, I would not hope that we have the #1 overall pick. Also, he could skip next year's draft if he cares to. It is a bad bet.

I was looking over recent 1st round selections. While some years are better than others, it is always a gamble. What I am really hoping for the most in this draft is building an offensive line that a QB wants to play behind.

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Of course we need a new starting QB. That's really not the issue.

However, do we really need the proverbial franchise QB?

Based on the type of offense that we are going to be running, I don't think it's necessary to burn $50 million on a QB.

Remember 2009? How many people thought that offense needed a $100 million QB?

A run-heavy offense doesn't need Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. It needs a smart, savvy QB that can make all the throws, but more importantly make the smart throws when the game is on the line.

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Originally Posted by McC

There will be a QB drafted in the first two rounds. Might as well prepare yourself.

I would prefer to not draft one. But I also bet they take one. As long as they do not reach or trade up, I am good. Trading back is good too.

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Originally Posted by BoomerFan

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I believe that Jordan Palmer could get it done with a better offensive line. You would focus on the game over the middle to help lower his INTs. Just read Shipley 1, Gresh 2, RB 3 pretty much everytime. Maybe you go deep to Jerome or fade to him in the endzone every once in awhile. And a better Oline would help resuscitate our running game.

How is Jordan's play action? As bad as Carson's?

He is a FA as well.