Who are these people?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Who are these people that write for NFL.com? This guy ranked the QB's from 1 to 32 and he has Andy Dalton listed at number 17. It's a good position, but what he writes about while talking our beloved QB. He says something along the lines of him having a good season, but let's wait to see what he does next your.

What really gets my goat is that he has Cam Newton listed at number 7, but only says that he liked him from the start.

Oh, and he has Andrew Luck one spot ahead of Dalton and RGIII listed a few spots below.

All his creditability just goes right out the window if you ask me just by listing players that aren't even NFL players in the list

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream

[BritishBengal]

I saw that a couple of days ago too. The Luck thing annoyed me, but hey what are you gonna do. NFL.com has a lot of daft writers, this just proves it. We and the more respected sports journalists know what Dalton is capable of and that is just fine. He doesn't need hype, he will just win games.

[grampahol]

Andrew Luck..backup to Delhomme.. Yep..proof he's arrived and hasn't even been drafted yet.
He'll be lucky Luck if Indys diminished o-line doesn't let him get hospitalized repeatedly.

[Bengals41]

quite disapointing that Andy is ranked behind an unproven QB who hasnt even been drafted yet. Really didnt expect a top 10. Probably would have put him in the top 16 myself ahead of Cutler for sure. And you could mix Andy with Romo and Flacco right now.

[Millz]

I would probably have Dalton around the 15-17 range too. He certainly isn't a top-10 quarterback yet, but he definitely has the potential to be one in the near future imo. All rookie QB's though should be listed at the bottom or left out all together, as that is just my own general rule of thumb until they actually play on Sundays.

[rogestes]

We all know..... all of this crap..... is written by Warren Sapp.

[Shipley11]

The thing that makes me mad is that he puts Luck at 16, calling him one of the best prospects while he rates Flynn at 27 calling him unproven because he only has 2 starts in 4 years. If anything Flynn should be ranked higher because he has more experience.

[Abspara]

Draft Hype. That is all.

[THE PISTONS]

Dalton had an awesome year as a rookie, but if you look at his passer rating and stats they are VERY similar to Joe Flacco's. Dalton had 3398 yards and a 80.4 passer rating. Flacco passed for 3610 yards and had a passer rating of 80.9.

I believe Cam Newton had a historically good year for a rookie QB passing for over 4000 yards (4051) with an 84.5 passer rating. He also had a lot of rushing TD's.

Where I disagree is with Luck getting placed higher. Dalton should be right around Flacco for now. He should probably be higher than Romo too.

But, yeah...Dalto has to improve his numbers to take the next step. If he has another 3398 season with an 80.4 passer rating and 20 TD's...I'd view it as a below average season for him. He's capable of more.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Dalton had an awesome year as a rookie, but if you look at his passer rating and stats they are VERY similar to Joe Flacco's. Dalton had 3398 yards and a 80.4 passer rating. Flacco passed for 3610 yards and had a passer rating of 80.9.

I believe Cam Newton had a historically good year for a rookie QB passing for over 4000 yards (4051) with an 84.5 passer rating. He also had a lot of rushing TD's.

Where I disagree is with Luck getting placed higher. Dalton should be right around Flacco for now. He should probably be higher than Romo too.

But, yeah...Dalton has to improve his numbers to take the next step. If he has another 3398 season with an 80.4 passer rating and 20 TD's...I'd view it as a below average season for him. He's capable of more.

Flacco has won playoff games, a lot of them, and that's what separates them. You could say the defense played a bigger role, but everyone knows wins go to the QB. Until Dalton wins a playoff game he'll never be a top 15 QB in the NFL, sorry to say.

[Bryan]

This is for Fantasy Football

[heyyaoutkast]

17 sounds about right to me. Only reason luck is 1 spot higher is because he's projected higher and has a stronger arm and a little more accurate, but mainly a great play caller at such a young age.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by Bengals41

quite disapointing that Andy is ranked behind an unproven QB who hasnt even been drafted yet. Really didnt expect a top 10. Probably would have put him in the top 16 myself ahead of Cutler for sure. And you could mix Andy with Romo and Flacco right now.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Cutler, certainly not yet. Cutler's a great QB and still puts up pretty good numbers despite not having a great offensive line and mostly speed demon wide receivers.

Luck will be lucky to be at 25 much less anything higher. His team is a complete mess. They had some pieces to help him out but they let a lot of them go (Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme) and that offensive line still needs improvement.

I'd probably have Newton somewhere in the middle ahead of Dalton but not #7 especially since I bet he's going to be on the Madden cover lol.

[heyyaoutkast]

Originally Posted by Carolinabengalfanguy

I wouldn't put him ahead of Cutler, certainly not yet. Cutler's a great QB and still puts up pretty good numbers despite not having a great offensive line and mostly speed demon wide receivers.

Luck will be lucky to be at 25 much less anything higher. His team is a complete mess. They had some pieces to help him out but they let a lot of them go (Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme) and that offensive line still needs improvement.

I'd probably have Newton somewhere in the middle ahead of Dalton but not #7 especially since I bet he's going to be on the Madden cover lol.

I rather him be on cover then Andy. Screw that

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

Who are these people that write for NFL.com? This guy ranked the QB's from 1 to 32 and he has Andy Dalton listed at number 17. It's a good position, but what he writes about while talking our beloved QB. He says something along the lines of him having a good season, but let's wait to see what he does next your.

What really gets my goat is that he has Cam Newton listed at number 7, but only says that he liked him from the start.

Oh, and he has Andrew Luck one spot ahead of Dalton and RGIII listed a few spots below.

All his creditability just goes right out the window if you ask me just by listing players that aren't even NFL players in the list

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream

Yea, I saw that list a couple days ago. Dude is an idiot.....Has Eli first and Aaron Rodgers 5th lulz. Talks about Manning "beating Brady" in two SBs as if Brady plays defense. Pure idiot.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by savagehenry54

Yea, I saw that list a couple days ago. Dude is an idiot.....Has Eli first and Aaron Rodgers 5th lulz. Talks about Manning "beating Brady" in two SBs as if Brady plays defense. Pure idiot.

I am so tired of the Eli is elite talk. Wouldn't be occuring if his last name wasn't "Manning". Anyone who says they would take Eli over Peyton, Brady, Brees, or Aaron Rodgers is a buffoon. I could make arguments for several other QB's as well. Top 10 maybe. Elite? No. Hall of fame? No. I would even take Roethislisberger before Eli.

[dust]

For one, its beyond silly to rank a player against NFL players when they havent played a snap in the league, equally as silly as paying them more than proven NFL veterans (luckily thats fixed)

As for the ranking itself...without a list of starting NFL QBs in front of me Id say thats a handful of spots too low, but nothing really to get worked up about. I'd have him somewhere within 5 spots up, but its hard to rank a player in the top half of starters at his position with only 1 year in the league of playing like it...of course including Luck and RGIII and ranking them anywhere other than #33 and #34 goes against that logic.

Im all for guys earning their respect, teams too. I think Dalton will solidify himself as a top 10 QB as well as the Bengals as a top 10 team, but I also think you have to prove it to "deserve" the praise.

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

I am so tired of the Eli is elite talk. Wouldn't be occuring if his last name wasn't "Manning". Anyone who says they would take Eli over Peyton, Brady, Brees, or Aaron Rodgers is a buffoon. I could make arguments for several other QB's as well. Top 10 maybe. Elite? No. Hall of fame? No. I would even take Roethislisberger before Eli.

Well of course, the fat boy has performed at a higher level for much longer than Eli. The name Manning + NY market + SB wins (more attributable to defense than Eli in both of them) = Eli being ridiculously over rated now.

Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Fatty, Rivers, Romo, Cutler and probably a couple I'm forgetting are all clearly better than Eli.

[BEASTCAT]

This is a more realistic list lol

1 Tom Brady
2 Drew Brees
3 Aaron Rodgers
4 Peyton Manning
5 Eli Manning
6 Matthew Stafford
7 Matt Schaub
8 Ben Roethlisberger
9 Philip Rivers
10 Matt Ryan
11 Michael Vick
12 Jay Cutler
13 Joe Flacco
14 Tony Romo
15 Andy Dalton
16 Cam Newton
17 Sam Bradford
18 Josh Freeman
19 Carson Palmer
20 Alex Smith
21 Matt Moore
22 Mark Sanchez
23 Ryan Fitzpatrick
24 Jake Locker
25 Matt Cassel
26 Christian Ponder
27 John Skelton
28 Colt McCoy
29 Chad Henne
30 Matt Flynn

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by BEASTCAT

This is a more realistic list lol

1 Tom Brady
2 Drew Brees
3 Aaron Rodgers
4 Peyton Manning
5 Eli Manning
6 Matthew Stafford
7 Matt Schaub
8 Ben Roethlisberger
9 Philip Rivers
10 Matt Ryan
11 Michael Vick
12 Jay Cutler
13 Joe Flacco
14 Tony Romo
15 Andy Dalton
16 Cam Newton
17 Sam Bradford
18 Josh Freeman
19 Carson Palmer
20 Alex Smith
21 Matt Moore
22 Mark Sanchez
23 Ryan Fitzpatrick
24 Jake Locker
25 Matt Cassel
26 Christian Ponder
27 John Skelton
28 Colt McCoy
29 Chad Henne
30 Matt Flynn

Flacco is too high. I'd take Romo any day over unibrow. Eli is way too high. I would have him closer to the 10-12 range. Sanchez is too high. Fitz is better, no doubt. Also... Cam is better than Andy. Give the guy his props, he shattered just about every rookie record known to man. We had to make one up for Andy so he wouldn't feel left out.

[heyyaoutkast]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

Flacco is too high. I'd take Romo any day over unibrow. Eli is way too high. I would have him closer to the 10-12 range. Sanchez is too high. Fitz is better, no doubt. Also... Cam is better than Andy. Give the guy his props, he shattered just about every rookie record known to man. We had to make one up for Andy so he wouldn't feel left out.

no way cam newton has a crapy team. They have one receiver to throw 2 in Steve who is still a beast and a good running game and 1 TE. There defense was pathetic and he broke Peyton manning rookie record having 1 WR and Te. I think 7 is to high but I see why he would be rated higher then Dalton. Dalton has a better supporting cast and cams cast is trash minus a few. He deserves to be at 10 or 11

[BEASTCAT]

NO WAY Cam is higher then Dalton....Dalton learnt the playbook...Dalton was a team leader...Dalton made Bengals better...hes is a winner...wins games..turning a team around ...winning games does mean something....Dalton had a better year...a better all around game...he did take Bengals too playoffs !!! ..Cam has personal stats...hes not a leader....his play book was..throw too Smith or run....do commericals.... you like Cams personal stats...too bad..its a team game...Daltons personal stats are pretty good too ....

[savagehenry54]

Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Fat Raper
Schaub
Romo
Rivers
Cutler
Eli
Stafford
Ryan
Palmer
Vick
Alex Smith
Hasselbeck
Flacco
Newton
Dalton
Fitzpatrick
Bradford
Cassel
McCoy
Freeman
Henne
Sanchez
Tavaris Jackson
Skelton
Ponder
Gabbert
Luck
RG3

[BEASTCAT]

First off your list isnt very good....Luck and RG3 cant be on it there not even drafted yet!!!
Eli won the superbowl ...a lil higher...just cus u have nightmares on him...too bad
Fat Raper.. is too high..hes a walking post...
Romo... too high...he is a cluster puck
Palmer get real he had 8 wins lol
Cam too high
T Jackson isnt a qb he hasnt figiured it out yet....

[heyyaoutkast]

Originally Posted by BEASTCAT

NO WAY Cam is higher then Dalton....Dalton learnt the playbook...Dalton was a team leader...Dalton made Bengals better...hes is a winner...wins games..turning a team around ...winning games does mean something....Dalton had a better year...a better all around game...he did take Bengals too playoffs !!! ..Cam has personal stats...hes not a leader....his play book was..throw too Smith or run....do commericals.... you like Cams personal stats...too bad..its a team game...Daltons personal stats are pretty good too ....

I love Dalton but you sound like a Cam hater and haters are irritating. Sure Dalton contributed to our team making the playoffs but he didnt carry us to the playoffs, the team as a collective whole did. And since your talking about team so much its obvious that our Bengals team as a collective unit is clearly better than the panthers at every position except running back. And cam contributed to helping his team win some games but the d couldn't pick up the slack like our d could and they were not a complete team like we are. Dalton had more wins and since this list is based off individual stats cam had the better year individually and obviously he knew his playbook if he broke Peyton mannings rookie passing record, and his entire team gave him respect because no one even thought he would be able to throw in the nfl so I think your argument is very confusing and you don't know what your trying to argue. Maybe if you would of read my response more carefully you could of had a more logical response to what I was responding to ,which was, why I think he was ranked higher then Andy and he was only ranked higher because of individual performance. C'mon man! Read, and think before you type dude.