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[Joelist]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

If they can do a better mix of RBs with BJGE, Scott and Leonard, they can be productive. But it was just last year that Marv talked, after the first 3 games, that it was his fault BScott wasn't involved more. They need to get away from the 'two series for the starter, third series for the backup, Leonard on third down and late' mentality that they've had. I'm sure most of that has been because of Ced. If they work on the rotation, it could be ok. But i'd prefer someone other than BJGE as the "main" ball carrier.

Thing is, you have to take into account what having bad Guards does to a running game. And our guards last year were worse than just bad - they were horrible. I submit that the improvement in going from Livings and McGlynn to Wharton and Zeitler is enormous.

With the vastly improved interior line, having a rotation of backs has a much better chance of success. Ellis is actually well suited to being the "main" back because he runs very well inside and is also VERY good at both blitz pickup and simple pass blocking. This means we can design and use pass plays out of a run formation and thus not tip everyone off like we have in the past (for example defenses were looking both at if Leonard was in and if Benson was how far behind the formation he set up and correctly guessing the play under Brat).

Leonard is still able to do what he has done, which is be clutch every time he gets the chance. He is still the third down back par excellence. Scott is the wild card. He has the quickness and burst to get to the edge and we now have the blockers to help him get there. But he needs to improve his game in pass protection. If he does that will be big and if he does not then he may be the odd man out.

And the combination of better Guards and a RB who is productive in short yardage (which BGE always has been) offers major hope of the goal line and 3rd and short no longer being nightmares for us. Remember last year where our poor Guard play and Benson (for whatever reason) not having the nose for the down marker like he did before meant we were forced to be pass happy because we could not run in those situations - the EXACT situation a good offense has to be able to run in.

[Gorilla]

LOL The Jags just got some DT named Jeris Pendleton from Ashland in exchange for Reggie Nelson...

[crispy]

Originally Posted by Joelist

Thing is, you have to take into account what having bad Guards does to a running game. And our guards last year were worse than just bad - they were horrible.

And I still think you might be giving them too much credit

[RCBengalsFan]

G James Brown G Luke Nix, RB Chris Polk, CB Trevin Wade, S Antonio Allen, WR Dwight Jones are all still out there...any possibility we trade to grab one of these talents?

[Cin726]

Originally Posted by crispy

And I still think you might be giving them too much credit

[RCBengalsFan]

never mind all compensatory picks now

[TKuhl]

Will Pitt take Burfict with their last pick? or do we even want this guy?

[wcu]

Originally Posted by Cin726

That was Livings' screw up. You can tell that it's Scott's responsibility to pick up the outside rusher. However, he does the right thing and picks up the inside guy that Livings missed. (first rule of blocking is to never let anyone cross your face). That means livings had to pick up the inside rusher.

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by wcu

That was Livings' screw up. You can tell that it's Scott's responsibility to pick up the outside rusher. However, he does the right thing and picks up the inside guy that Livings missed. (first rule of blocking is to never let anyone cross your face). That means livings had to pick up the inside rusher.

Regardless livings is gone and Scott scares the **** out of me

[RCBengalsFan]

Some good players are gonna go undrafted! hopefully we can pick some up!!!!

[RCBengalsFan]

Mr. Irrelevant is...........chandler harnish

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by RCBengalsFan

Some good players are gonna go undrafted! hopefully we can pick some up!!!!

I heard that we spent slot of time with burfict

[mrcommish<2009>]

get on the phone and sign Burfict .... call Rainey and Polk too

[Cin726]

Please bring in Bobby Rainey.

If we're going RB-by-committee, it wouldn't hurt to have another RB battle it out for a spot on the roster.

[joshb1983]

Originally Posted by mrcommish<2009>

get on the phone and sign burfict .... Call rainey and polk too

id get all 3 asap...cant hurt u can always cut if still injured or in trouble...if polk can get 100% by season he would be a steal..

[joshb1983]

I noticed the 7th jags had was from us..was that nelson trade or somthing? I know we gave 7th for mays but thought we traded for nelson

[Kyle_828]

burficit has been signed to the Bengals.

[timmay1964]

my question is this we draft dan herron, chris polk supposedly late first round,mid second round am i missing something??????????

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by timmay1964

my question is this we draft dan herron, chris polk supposedly late first round,mid second round am i missing something??????????

Yes. Clearly Polk wasnt as good as people thought

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Yes. Clearly Polk wasnt as good as people thought

There was talk of a degenerative injury/illness...I have no idea what they are referring to..he got hurt his freshman yr...shoulder injury...played 38 straight games after...but if the FO and war rooms get wind of injuries or certain hints of durability it can be looked at as much worse than character issues

[bambino5130]

Originally Posted by Joelist

Thing is, you have to take into account what having bad Guards does to a running game. And our guards last year were worse than just bad - they were horrible. I submit that the improvement in going from Livings and McGlynn to Wharton and Zeitler is enormous.

With the vastly improved interior line, having a rotation of backs has a much better chance of success. Ellis is actually well suited to being the "main" back because he runs very well inside and is also VERY good at both blitz pickup and simple pass blocking. This means we can design and use pass plays out of a run formation and thus not tip everyone off like we have in the past (for example defenses were looking both at if Leonard was in and if Benson was how far behind the formation he set up and correctly guessing the play under Brat).

Leonard is still able to do what he has done, which is be clutch every time he gets the chance. He is still the third down back par excellence. Scott is the wild card. He has the quickness and burst to get to the edge and we now have the blockers to help him get there. But he needs to improve his game in pass protection. If he does that will be big and if he does not then he may be the odd man out.

And the combination of better Guards and a RB who is productive in short yardage (which BGE always has been) offers major hope of the goal line and 3rd and short no longer being nightmares for us. Remember last year where our poor Guard play and Benson (for whatever reason) not having the nose for the down marker like he did before meant we were forced to be pass happy because we could not run in those situations - the EXACT situation a good offense has to be able to run in.

This is a great post..... Well said. I really like the points made about the Guard play, BJGE & Leonard's clutch 3rd down play. I also think this assemblance of WRs will have to get it done this year if the Bengals have any shot to win a playoff game. AJ & Gresh will have to keep doing what they do, but Sanu, Shipley, Hawkins, & Jones will have to step their games up as well. I do think the interior Oline upgrades will go a long way in making that happen as well.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by bambino5130

This is a great post..... Well said. I really like the points made about the Guard play, BJGE & Leonard's clutch 3rd down play. I also think this assemblance of WRs will have to get it done this year if the Bengals have any shot to win a playoff game. AJ & Gresh will have to keep doing what they do, but Sanu, Shipley, Hawkins, & Jones will have to step their games up as well. I do think the interior Oline upgrades will go a long way in making that happen as well.

We were very bad in short yardage and goal line situations a year ago. We showed no ability to get a 3rd and 1 or a first and goal inside the five by running the ball.

Hopefully, that is an area that will show significant improvement in 2012 with new guards and a better Smith as well as Green- Ellis.

[Strongsville City Schools]

Who dey

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by joshb1983

I noticed the 7th jags had was from us..was that nelson trade or somthing? I know we gave 7th for mays but thought we traded for nelson

I think the Mays pick is next years seventh rounder....I could be wrong though. I'm not really sure why they didn't have a seventh this year.